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HI, when I was referring to us and them , I think what I was getting at was that I believe the division of able and disabled does not exist, such categories are a product of discourse. I see there is a diversity of physical states across the world and someone somewhere drew an arbitrary line and said those on that side are able and those on that side are disabled. I recognise that part of changing the stigma attached to disability is to redefine it, which in part comes from identifying with each other and wiht disability in order to find new perspectives. However my concern is that in doing so we may perpetuate this random categorisation. I think this dichotomous thinking runs wider than disability but may be a core issue in defining the 'other' as bad. Thanks, Sarah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lillie,Timothy H" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: Re: devision. Simon: I don't think Sarah said what you seem to think she said. You seem to be justifying a doctrinaire approach to disability because "other professional[s]" do it!!!! Timothy Lillie, PhD Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies The University of Akron Akron OH 44325-4205 > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Stevens [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 9:01 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: devision. > > > Hmm yes, and name any other professional which doesn't have the same > unwritten rules. > > Like normal, disabled people must be perfect and deny their > culture and > identity because we MUST be inclusive while everyone else can do > whatever they like and abuse us all the time! > > Please split professional language with personal language. > You can think > what you want but the disability field (not necessary the movement if > one exists) has norms of its rules which are in direct > competition with > the warehousing and death making industries. Too many non-disabled > people pretend to be allies therefore it does make me certainly > suspusious. > > Many Thanks, Simon > > -- > > Simon Stevens > [log in to unmask] > > Tel: +44(0)24 7644 8130 > Fax: +44(0)870 133 2447 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Supple > Sent: 20 July 2002 12:14 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: devision. > > Hi, it concerns me that increasingly I am feeling there is a > sense from > some that if you don't play by certain rules or use certain terms then > you become one of 'them' rather than one of 'us' (i.e. the disabled > movement). Isn't the us and them mentality exactly what the disability > movement is trying to get away from? Sarah. > > ________________End of message______________________ > > Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List > are now located at: > > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. > > ________________End of message______________________ > > Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List > are now located at: > > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. > ________________End of message______________________ Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are now located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. ________________End of message______________________ Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are now located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page.