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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Might the valuation also refer to the value of the glebe -- the "endowment" of the church (which could be anything from a single field and garden the priest was expected to work himself all the way up to considerable estates), income from which went 100% to the upkeep of the church? I don't know if this would be calculated separately from tithes, though. Ray Lavoie [log in to unmask] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Crockett" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: [M-R] how are churches valued? medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dale Hample <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >...I don't understand how churches, etc., were valued....Is the valuation due to, say, the agricultural produce of the place? Parishoners' tithes? What's the nature of the income and how could it be stably estimated? good question(s). on the off chance that my understanding is not accurate (sometimes happens, as one drops the occasional Hammer here and there), here's what i've been going on for several years: it's a question of the Revenue from Tithes --all sorts of tithes on all sorts of (mostly) agricultural produce. with, perhaps, other income (such as rents due to that particular church) thrown in. in the French world there were/are surveys of the "Pouillés" --a sort of census of all the parishes of a diocese. many of these have been published, either as stand-alone publications, or as part of cartularies, or in this quite useful series: Author: Académie des inscriptions & belles-lettres (France) Title: Recueil des historiens de la France : pouillés / publié par l'Académie des inscriptions et belles-lettres. Paris: Imprimerie nationale, 1903- Incomplete contents: t. 1. Pouillés de la province de Lyon --t. 2. Pouillés de la province de Rouen --t. 3. Pouillés de la province de Tours --t. 4. Pouillés de la province de Sens --t. 5. Pouillés de la province de Trèves --t. 6. Pouillés de la province de Reims (2 v.) --t. 7. Pouillés des provinces de Besançon, de Tarentaise et de Vienne --t. 8. Pouillés des provinces d'Aix, d'Arles, et d'Embrun --t. 9. Pouillés de la province de Bourges these guys are a mine of information, not just for finding out the "value" of a church, but also for other things, suchlike: --the Latin name of a place, or, via reverse engineering, the Modern name of a place you only have the Latin for (there's an index in each volume listing both names); --in what subdivision(s) of the Diocese (usually an Archdeaconry and then a "rural" Deanery) the place was to be found; --if it's a question of a more or less minor church, to "whom" the church "belonged" (i.e., by the late m.a., the name of the ecclesiastical institution who/which could name the "curé," or Prior, or whatever; --(in the later ones) how many "souls" were in the parish; a real treasure trove of a Reference Source. it looks like most all of France has been published in this series --i have no idea what the state of things in less civilised parts of Europe might be. btw, the Academie publication *might* be available on-line (more or less) via the quite marvelous "Gallica" site of the Bibliotheque Nationale (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ , slow and frustrating as hell to use, but worth the trouble if you've not got a good library close by). corrections are solicited. best from here, christopher ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html