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I employed hyperbole, for effect.  I apologize.  I was not referring
solely to canonization.   But read through the Golden Legend or Butler's
Lives and note how commonly the false accusation of fathering a child
occurs.  Saints are frequently controversial, especially the ones
characterized by the more unusual "physical phenomena of mysticism"
(Herbert Thurston).  Quite understandably they are thought by some to be
frauds.  And many fraudulent purported saints have and do exist.  It is
quite appropriate for people to be skeptical about the more extreme
claims.  But with controvesry come accusations of mental imbalance or
mendacity or insanity or whatever.  Accusations of sexual improprieties
are an obvious route to discredit someone.  Think of the hagiographic
topos of the woman disguised of a man, accused of fathering a child,
suffering the consequences meekly, exonerated only upon death when
revealed to be incapable of the act.

My point was that bringing up _accusations_ in a context clearly
intended to cast doubt on Padre Pio's stigmata, is a straw man argument.
 Allegations mean nothing unless investigated and corroborated.  But in
this case nothing was said of either the subsequent investigation or its
results, merely the allegation.  I should not have specified sexual
improprieties.  But every major saint has been accused or some form of
impropriety.  This does come with the territory because, as I emphasize
to students in my course on saints, saints are nearly always
controversial.  Sexual improprieties were only part of the improprieties
leveled against Padre Pio.

But whatever became of the priniciple of innocent until proven guilty?
It has always been selectively applied, which was the reason for my
response.  For those already predisposed or skeptical toward such a
bizarre phenomenon as Padre Pio, the mere mention of allegations seems
to be enough to raise serious questions.  If the allegations were fresh,
only made yesterday, yes, doubts would exist.  But these allegations
were made three-quarters ofa  century ago and have been dealt with.  I
don't understand why they are relevant now.  If new evidence exists
supporting them or if one has reason to believe the investigation of
them was fraudulent (swept under the rug), bring it forth.  But a
blanket statement that "his dubious past" has been "generally swept
under the rug in the ecclesiastical press" strikes me as just a tad
hyperbolic and anti-clerical. That old allegations, thoroughly
investigated, are not brought up now, in the context of the
canonization, has a much simpler reason: his cause was held up for years
because of these controversies, but clearly they have been resolved to
the satisfaction of those charged with investigating them.  If the
investigations had shown the allegations to have "legs" he would not be
up for canonization because credible journalists would pounce on them.
Surely even the most anti-clerical of us don't think the folks in the
Congregation of the Causes of Saints are that unaware of the
consequences of canonizing someone for whom really credible evidence of
sexual improprieties is floating around out there.  Of course, if one
has a dark conspiratorial attitude toward all things Vatican, if one
presumes that the whole process is mere politics, one might be
suspicious of Padre Pio's "dubious past" merely out of that habit and
disposition.  But let's stipulate that the canonization process is
"merely political."  Surely the crafty politician bureaucrats charged
with deciding who gets canonized would be smart enough not to canonize
someone so controversial unless they really believed the negative
evidence was not credible--that would be politically foolish.

I'm aware that some people really believe that the Vatican simply
smothers truth and can do so successfully because of its purported
immense power.  But really, is that credible anymore?  With all the bad
press the Church gets today, with legions of journalists eager to make a
name by exposing some scandal, surely, a few bureacrats in the
Congregation for the Causes of Saints could not truly suppress really
credible damaging evidence.  Or am I just naive?

No, I think what really goes on with Padre Pio (and this _does_ apply
to medieval studies) is that the fervor of his following among the great
unwashed, among the Italian-American grandmothers in Rhode Island or the
 simple Catholics in Spain or Mexico, frightens academics and
sophisticates.  Padre Pio is in a category with Saint Francis in terms
of widespread popular following within his lifetime.  This was not true,
say, for Therese of Lisieux, who was discovered by the masses only after
her death.  In the same way that Lourdes frightens the socks of ivory
tower dwellers, the intensity of Padre Pio's folllowers'  (some, but by
no means all, indeed, a very small percentage, really are neurotic or
fanatic) devotion fits no category experientially known to the highbrows
of our culture.  But that doesn't mean he himself was a fraud or has a
"dubious past."  One ought to decide that only after carefuly sifting
the evidence.  One cannot attribute everything somone's disciples do to
their teacher--if that were legitimate, most of us professor types would
be in big trouble, given what some of our students do!

Rather than reflexive skepticism about Padre Pio, it seems to me that
he offers a golden opportunity to observe in our own day what it might
have been like with Saint Francis or one of the other major saints of
the past.  Of course there would have to be differences, but both
similarities and differences in this form of popular religion could be
enlightening for medievalists.

And, incidentally, precisely in the ecclesiastical press is where I
have seen mention of the many years' delay in the cause of Padre Pio
because of controversies surrounding him.  It came up in the first
www.zenit.org reports announcing that the miracle needed for his
canonization had been approved and in the reports announcing that the
date had been set for his canonization, if memory serves me correctly.
The ecclesiastical press has not ignored the controversies surrounding
this Capuchin friar.  I think what bothers some people is that the
conclusion drawn by the church and ecclesiastical press (exonerating
him) isn't the conclusion some people would like to have had drawn
because then we could easily set this weirdo aside as a fraud.

As for abuse of the confessional, unless this refers also to the
allegations of sexual improprieties growing out of hearing confessions
(which I am not aware were part of the allegations against him, but I am
ready to be corrected), I would assume that this has to do with the fact
that Padre Pio was known to be gruff with penitents he thought
insincere.  These allegations too have been thoroughly looked into.  He
did not suffer fools (sacrliege) lightly.  Given his "celebrity" status,
he would scarcely have been a saintly confessor if he had not been aware
that some groupies would   be tempted to abuse the sacrament: hey folks,
look at me, I made my confession to Padre Pio!  As a priest and
confessor he had an obligation to be on guard for that (quite apart from
any supernatural gift of "reading souls"--not uncommon--cf. the Cure
d'Ars).  Ruffin takes up both sides of this controversy.  I don't see
that the "abuse of the confessional" charge, if it refers to this
gruffness, has any "legs" but if someone has credible evidence, I'd be
glad to hear it.

Hence my imprudent hyperbole, for which I apologize.

Dennis Martin


>>> [log in to unmask] 06/27/02 05:56PM >>>
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
culture

> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
culture
>
> Can you name any major saint who was not accused of sexual
> improprieties?  It goes with the territory.

What major saints do you have in mind?  As a student of medieval
hagiography
in the tenth and eleventh centuries, I have observed that issues of
sexual
impropriety, while not unheard of, are rare (the case of St. Emmeram
comes
to mind).  As for such accusations coming with the territory, I presume
you
mean the territory of canonization, which was only systematized by the
later
middle ages.  In how many cases do accusations of sexual impropriety
play a
role in the canonization procedure?  I'm not familiar with the
literature of
canonization.  In my period, sainthood was most often handled on a
local
level.

Ray Lavoie

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