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Thanks, Johnson. I appreciate your perspective and am sure you have gotten hate mail, as you say. So have I. However, the term "hate" has so much baggage attached to it these days that I believe it is a good idea to be sure to apply it only when it is deserved. Disagreements are not always "civil" and can be loud and strident. That is not hate speech, though, it is passion, at least in my view. TL Timothy Lillie, PhD Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies The University of Akron Akron OH 44325-4205 > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnson Cheu [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:16 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Double consciousness (was simulation) > > > Dear Timothy (and everyone): > > I did not mean to imply that discussion equates to hate mail. I've > discussed an awful lot of things here and people have > agreed/disagreed with > much of it and with me, without it escalating to "hate mail" > status. I > will say that I have gotten hate mail in the past (from anywhere and > everywhere) for things that I've said and written here or > elsewhere. But > that is what it is. And sometimes it's been when people > have, for instance > thought I was calling him/her (meaning one person) a racist, > when I was > talking generalities, so that was likely on my brain last night. > > Johnson > > At 11:45 AM 5/1/02 -0400, Lillie,Timothy H wrote: > >Am I the only one troubled by Johnson's equating > disagreement with him > >with "hate mail?" His use of the term has crystallized for > me several > >past experiences where I (or another) was slammed pretty > well for simply > >disagreeing with the perspective of the speaker. I believe that in > >Disability Studies it is absolutely essential to recognize that > >disagreement does not mean hatred and should not be -- EVER > -- used as a > >club to silence dissent. > > > >Let me stress that I don't mean anything personally, just as > Johnson has > >done. Still, the perception is one that I am currently stuck with. > > > >Timothy Lillie, PhD > >Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies > >The University of Akron > >Akron OH 44325-4205 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Johnson Cheu [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:47 AM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Double consciousness (was simulation) > > > > > > > > > At 12:23 AM 5/1/02 -0400, Shane Holten wrote: > > > >).....some of the attitudes expressed in these threads are very > > > >hypocritical.....people with disabilities "know" what > people without > > > >disabilities "think" about people with disabilities.... > > > > > > Shane and all: > > > > > > I have to take exception to what you say here. The idea that > > > people with > > > disabilities are very aware of the Ableist paradigms that > > > dominate much of > > > our world is, it seems to me, very real. It seems to me that > > > conversations > > > say, around the built environment, exist because societies > > > were set up, > > > unwittingly or not, on a majority model where bodies were > bipedal and > > > ambulatory. And why not? Most people of the world are. > > > That, however, > > > doesn't make it right or acceptable. > > > > > > Now, please, before the hate mail starts a flying, I am > not talking > > > individually as in I think of everyone who isn't disabled as > > > Ableist. > > > > > Johnson Cheu > http://people.english.ohio-state.edu/cheu.1 > The Ohio State University, Dept. of English > 421 Denney Hall, 164 W. 17th. Ave. > Columbus, OH 43210 > (614) 292-1730 (Office); (614) 292-6065 (Dept.); (614) 292-7816 (Fax) > **************** > Curriculum Consultant, Project LEND > http://www.osu.edu/units/osunc > Nisonger Center, McCampbell Hall > The Ohio State University > 1581 Dodd Drive, Columbus, OH 43210 > (614) 247-6073 (Office); (614) 292-3727 (Fax) > > ________________End of message______________________ > > Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List > are now located at: > > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. > ________________End of message______________________ Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are now located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page.