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Civil liberties moves us away from economics and on to politics - Isaiah Berlin I think is the man here - Freedom to do things must always be balanced with freedom from things. My freedom to be rude conflicts with someone else's freedom from me being rude to them. Here in Oxford I would like a little more freedom to ride my bike and a lot more freedom from Mercedes wielding idiots who think that people on bikes must be poor and are thus expendable. I would happily trade my right to freedom from government monitoring me in my car for the freedom to trace the mad ***** who nearly ran me down on Magdelen bridge yesterday. The great beauty of congestion charging is that poor people in the country are not subsidising rich car owners in the cities - whereas fuel tax is manifestly unfair to anyone in un-congested areas. Here in Oxford the law of unintended consequences strikes again - after years of centralising the hospital services (Economies of scale blah blah) there is now a shortage of nurses. There seem to be plenty of them but they all live close to where the old community hospitals were - and on nurses salaries cannot afford houses in Oxford. And so as with any form of market interference we can expect some oddity eventually to crop up. On 26/2/02 3:47 pm, "Julie Parton" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Civil Liberties isn't one of my usual hang-ups ... but doesn't this raise > some serious issues about monitoring the movements of law abiding citizens? > > I suppose we'll go from credit card fraud to number plate fraud! > > The effect on traders in London will be very detrimental. Motorists will > shop, go for entertainment etc in those places where they can freely take > their car rather than rely on the awful public transport system, out-of-town > shopping centres and entertainment complexes will, however, show > considerable growth. Put your money on IKEA and Showcase Cinemas, not > Debenhams or Odeon Cinemas! > > Julie Parton > > >> From: david haynes <[log in to unmask]> >> Reply-To: For teachers and lecturers interested in curriculum issues >> affecting the te <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: The Begg proposals >> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:58:06 -0800 >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1838000/1838185.stm >> >> >> what say you? >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >> http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com