We have actually gone through the exercise of looking to discontinue the use of date labels. We use an automated telephone renewal service, plus Internet renewals, and I agree that it's unlikely the user will write the date on the label. Why should they, except to remind them when the item is due back. Library Management Systems know if it's overdue or not so the staff don't really need to look at the date label at Discharge. We also use self issue machines in two libraries. These provide a print out of brief item details including the title and item barcode number plus the due date. However, we installed "receipt" printers at all issue and discharge points to provide users with a similar print out to that provided by the self issue. The outcome has been that the users still prefer the date label. We still offer a print out but the main problem is whether you listen to what your users want or whether you make the decision that date labels will no longer be provided and disregard public opinion. Personally, I think that date labels should be discontinued. Stock reports from the library system can be used to monitor stock usage, although not many of them provide the detail that a date label potentially could regarding the "scale" of use, i.e. how many times the item had been issued over a period of time. I've found this to be one of the more interesting discussions on the list - keep it up. Graham Dash Graham Dash Business Systems Manager London Borough of Sutton Library, Heritage & Registration Services Central Library St. Nicholas Way Sutton Surrey SM1 1EA Tel.: 020 8770 4763 Fax: 020 8770 4777 e-mail: [log in to unmask] ---------- From: [log in to unmask] Sent: 18 January 2002 10:20 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Date stamps <<File: ENVELOPE.TXT>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Date stamps - like a lot of things in libraries (*and* other organisations, commercial as well as public, lets not kid ourselves, or beat ourselves up), "Dead, but won't lie down"? In my 'umble opinion, technology is changing things (phone renewals = technology?), and some of the old tools and processes still do useful jobs, but we just don't cost them out, because they're already there. Can we still actually afford them? It was very useful and practical to shelf-check the Brown Issue (yes, I'm that old...) against the shelves before sending overdues, in case items were not discharged properly (or snuck back on the shelves by a user to prevent fines), but we stopped doing that when we automated loans and overdues, many moons ago. Staff wanted to check a printout (Line Impact printed, continuous feed,15"x11", green music-ruled, 3" thick...) before automated overdues were sent out, so we tried it - but two weeks later the reports hadn't been checked (what a surprise...), so, out went the overdues! The problems (or should I say challenges?) that the pre-overdues shelf checks addressed were shifted about (generally to customer complaints), but they're still there. Perhaps we should address the real problem of Quality Control on discharge? and have book security systems work on entry as well as exit? Perhaps we sometimes aren't actually concerned with being pro-active in the "Modernisation" (aargh! - apologies, had a funny turn there...) of our services, but prefer to allow them to wither on the vine, and accept the consequences? Or we take firm measures to remove old ways, whether staff like it or not (and whether we've considered it properly or not), and accept the consequences? I suggest that, *IF* we *want* to phase out date stamps, we need to ensure that that: The systems we deploy to create and extract Management Information (MIS) are simple to use and cost-effective, like an OPAC - not a set of techie tools like BusinessObjects, Crystal Reports etc. (bit of a challenge to the suppliers lurking on the list - e.g. Dan at Geac earlier on). That we have a management commitment to provide *all* front-line staff with fingertip access to timely, current, MIS (not just managers or supervisors), in the format necessary for their purposes, just as we do Circulation and OPAC systems, and the cost-benefits can be demonstrated to wean staff off the desire to keep date stamps/labels. This would also demonstrate that staff have been given the tools to manage their stock properly. If any question arises that this is not being done properly, the technology cannot be blamed. However, suspect we'll do some mix of all of this, the human condition being what it is! Regards John ps. Is a handful of 5"x3" catalogue cards still probably the best way to shelf-check the catalogue? 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