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hi everyone since we have been talking about accessibility and about netscape 4 and since the original question that started all this was about examples for accessible (or not) sites, i was wondering if someone could spare a few minutes to have a look at my site, which was build with all the problems we just talked about in mind. Online materials for staff disability awareness http://www.demos.ac.uk/ (don't go there yet, read this first, please) this site is just a static html site with no scripting except for the odd form validation. it's designed for NN4.7 with forward and backwards compatibility build into it. it should 'degrade gracefully' in anything below NN4, should work in NN4.7 and not fall apart in the less forgiving version 6 browsers. i do a lot of testing but i can't cover everything. the one browser i haven't tested in is IE6. so i'd be interested to hear from IE6 users. i've tested it in pwwebspeak but not in jaws. anybody got jaws? the code is what i believe to be as standard-compliant as possible, xhtml transitional with a stylesheet used for presentational styles, not for positioning. it uses tables for layout to accommodate NN4. i have applied all accessibility techniques that didn't mess up in NN4.7 (had trouble with label and scope, i think, for forms). some of the techniques should be noticeable in version 6 browsers, like acronym/abbr. accesskey works in mozilla and IE5. the course modules are unfortunately password protected because they're still in the evaluation phase but my accessibility guide can be accessed w/o password (http://www.demos.ac.uk/access/). it functions similar to the course modules and contains a section on accessibility techniques used on the site (which isn't finished yet). if anybody should be interested in the course modules and would like to take part in the evaluation, i'm sure i can give you the password. email me. long intro. thanks for reading so far :) i'm constantly working on the site to improve it (going to improve the breadcrumb navigation next) but i don't get an awful lot of feedback. many thanks to those who can take the time. iris p.s. no, i don't have a shift key, although, in the spirit of usability i'm thinking of getting one. Iris Manhold Web Devoloper <http://www.jarmin.com/> <http://www.cch-uk.org/> <http://www.demos.ac.uk/> <http://www.nado.ac.uk/>