-----Original Message----- This boils down to a disagreement between Ogilvie and the Royal Society about how quickly Copus can be changed. There may be nothing more to it than this... [but] the slow pace set by the Royal Society may well have damaged Copus beyond repair... The work plan the Copus Council devised was a sound one and, as Ogilvie insisted, has the support of the broad community that its membership now represents. If the Royal Society does not want to implement it, then others should be given the opportunity to do so. -----End Quoted (and cut) Message----- Which comes back to the role of the RS. It is, in effect, no more than a money laundering operation on behalf of the Government. The Gov believes that it should support PEST work. It can either do it within the Office of Science and Technology, or it can farm it out to another body. It has traditionally used the RS to manage ventures that need quality but that are not appropriate for, say, the research councils. Take the RS fellowships, the support for bright young things going places. Not subject specific, so best done through an organisation that can straddle the disciplines. The Royal Academy of Engineering plays a similar role. PEST work also crosses boundaries. So the RS has acted as a funnel for money to flow to such organisations as the BA. While in recent years the RS has swept away some of the cobwebs, it seems to have a few murky nooks and crannies. Maybe the time has come for the Government to go directly to the BA. As things now stand, the money for COPUS is just a part of the RS's money for PEST and COPUS has to compete against other bids from within the RS. (That is how one person described it to me when we talked about this on the phone the other day.) I no longer have good connections with the OST PESTs. But I do know that a few years back they had concluded that COPUS had reached the end of its shelf life. It would be interesting to know if there is any strong interest in PEST within the OST. Did Research Fortnight quote anyone from there? MK _______________________________________________________________________ Michael Kenward OBE / Phone: +44 (0)1444 400568 Fax: 401064 / Science Writer & Stuff / Have words will travel ********************************************************************** 1. To suspend yourself from the list, whilst on leave, for example, send an email to [log in to unmask] with the following message: set psci-com nomail 2. To resume email from the list, send the following message: set psci-com mail 3. To leave psci-com, send an email to [log in to unmask] with the message: leave psci-com 4. Further information about the psci-com discussion list, including list archive, can be found at the list web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/psci-com.html 5. The psci-com gateway to internet resources on science communication and science and society can be found at http://psci-com.org.uk **********************************************************************