RadLib CannibalsRichard:
Most of what you offer here has been already offered by this century's version of Walter ("Match me, Sidney." J.J. Hunsucker) Winchell, skin-crawler,Matt Drudge.
With my dial tuned and my ear seared I heard it all on last night's big broadcast, especially the intonation of "Baroness"!
If you're going to paprika the list with this kind of stuff, please, as Ronald Johnson wrote in one of his cookbooks, "don't use the canned, bottled paprika. Use the fresh stuff!"
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Dillon
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:36 PM
Subject: RadLib Cannibals
Dave,
May she turn the tide and lead us through the waters parted by her incantation:
I cite these words by Baroness Thatcher in particular:
"During my lifetime most of the problems the world has faced have come, in one fashion or another, from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it," she writes.
"That generalisation is clearly true of the Second World War. Nazism was, after all, a European ideology, the Third Reich an attempt at European domination.
The solutions came from the United States because we succeeded in revolting against your monarchical systems [and, later, in waylaying your Radical Idealisms, MarxIsm and NaziIsm]. However, our revolution is endangered by RadLib intellectuals here who go to places like Oxford or Freiburg and get "educated". Then, they [the traitor William Jefferson Blythe Clinton is a foremost example] return and set out on their dark work: To "Deconstruct" the American Constitution and culture.
_100 Days_, published in England by such seditionist intellectuals like Andrea Brady [Harvard, Cambridge], is the preeminent example of RadLib Fifth Column agitprop.
Question: What is the difference between Mrs. Thatcher's accusations against Internationalist Control of the U.K. and that of the Anarch Student Rioters of Genoa, Seattle, Toronto?
Try some Thatcher-Reagan Tea, AND SEE!
Richard
March 18, 2002
Thatcher: Britain must start to quit EU
By Philip Webster, Political Editor
THE time has come for Britain to start pulling out of the European Union, according to Baroness Thatcher. She damns the EU as "fundamentally unreformable".
The former Prime Minister says in her new book, serialised in The Times, that most of the problems the world has faced, including Nazism and Marxism, have come from mainland Europe. Enoch Powell had been right when he gave warning in the 1970s that entry to the Common Market involved an unacceptable loss of sovereignty.
Lady Thatcher calls for renegotiation of Britains terms of EU membership to enable it to leave the common agricultural and fisheries policies, the common foreign and security policy, and to reassert domestic control over trade policy. She also suggests joining the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement, a decision that would be seen as incompatible with EU membership.
Although she does not say it in so many words, such moves would mean that Britain was no longer effectively in the EU. In any event the demands, which she urges an incoming Tory government to make as a preliminary step, would be refused by the rest of the EU, leaving Britain no alternative but to quit.
She writes in Statecraft: "It is frequently said to be unthinkable that Britain should leave the European Union. But the avoidance of thought about this is a poor substitute for judgment."
Lady Thatcher's views will embarrass Iain Duncan Smith after a period in which the Tory leader has engineered a party truce on Europe and at a time when he is preparing to modernise his party's appeal.
While he is poised today to attack Tony Blair over the outcome of the Barcelona summit, the Prime Minister is certain to use the Commons exchanges to challenge him to disavow Lady Thatcher. Her remarks will be a godsend to a Government struggling to recover from accusations of sleaze and lack of delivery over public service reform.
Mr Duncan Smith was always one of Lady Thatcher's strongest supporters, and there are several members of the Shadow Cabinet, such as Bernard Jenkin, John Whittingdale, John Bercow and Tim Collins, who would privately agree with much of what she says. As many as 30 Tory MPs would probably privately support a "withdrawalist" line.
Mr Duncan Smith has successfully urged his colleagues to speak less about Europe and to concentrate on domestic issues. While making plain that the Tories would campaign against the euro if there was a referendum, he has taken the sting out of the debate by saying that MPs would be free to campaign in the opposite camp if they wished.
Mr Duncan Smith's spokesman said of Lady Thatchers remarks last night: "Naturally relations between Iain and Lady Thatcher are close and cordial and she has done us the courtesy of sending an advance copy of the book. We will not comment directly on the book but we will read it with interest.
"Iain's position on Europe was summed up in an article this weekend.
He said: "We must keep our currency. It is the only way we can be masters of our own taxes, mortgage rates and spending on our schools and hospitals. I will never allow EU membership to mean Britain loses control over its own destiny. While I lead the Conservatives I will always fight to keep the pound."
Lady Thatcher stops short of calling for a total withdrawal from Europe, preferring to retain some existing arrangements while opting out of "present and future mechanisms which harm our interests or restrict our freedom of action".
This might not be as difficult as it sounds because the "blunt truth is that the rest of the European Union needs us more than we need them."
Britain had substantial advantages in any renegotiation because it was a substantial net importer from the rest of the EU, a substantial contributor to the CAP, its fish stocks were extremely important to other countries, and it remained a global power.
She goes on: "Against this background we should have every confidence that we can achieve a sensible framework within which to defend and pursue our interest while having co-operative relations with the European countries.
"The preliminary step, I believe, should be for an incoming Conservative government to declare publicly that it seeks fundamental renegotiation of Britain's terms of EU membership. The objectives would be a withdrawal from the CAP, an end to our adherence to the common fisheries policy, withdrawal from all the entanglements of a common foreign and security policy and a reassertion of control of our trade policy."
Lady Thatcher's coolness towards Europe is legendary, but her book takes it to a new intensity.
"During my lifetime most of the problems the world has faced have come, in one fashion or another, from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it," she writes.
"That generalisation is clearly true of the Second World War. Nazism was, after all, a European ideology, the Third Reich an attempt at European domination.
Oh, Richard, how many times do people have to tell you this: outside US
domestic politics the term 'RadLib' has no meaning.
I did almost collapse in laughter at one of your recent posts when you
accused people on this list of 'sedition'. As I, and many others, are not US
citizens and therefore have no legal obligation to your status system what
were you thinking about?
I'm tempted to go to Boston (UK, Lincolnshire to be precise, it's a right
dump, but the original one, as in Boston not dump) and look for tea-bags to
throw into the sea.
Best
Dave
David Bircumshaw
Leicester, England
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dillon" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: no subject left! Lefts.
RadLib Cannibals!
>Erminia
>
>I don't want to get drawn into this but I have to say there were elements
in
>your messages to Martin that +were+ patronising and even downright rude.
>
>As for typos, why not use a spell-checker on your e-mails? They can be
>irritating but would also expunge the obvious mistakes. While in respect of
>English as a fourth language, well the primary is dialect of this list is
>English, I wouldn't even think of communicating to an Italian language list
>in flawed speech, while if you are a tutor at an Oxford college while not
>having a command of the host country's language how do you square that with
>an incapacity to handle that language?
>
>With tea and biscuits?
>
>(And I do like the posts you send about Italian poetry btw)
>
>Best but Bewildered
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>David Bircumshaw
>
>Leicester, England
>
>Home Page
>
>A Chide's Alphabet
>
>Painting Without Numbers
>
>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Erminia Passannanti" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:49 PM
>Subject: Re: no subject
>
>
>On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:24:45 +0100, Martin J. Walker <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
>
>>Erminia, *you* didn't even understand that I fully understood the Italian
>>for Kritik der reinen Vernunft (Critique, not Critic) and gave you a brief
>>(slightly humorous) reply. I find your tone less "comical" than
>offensively
>>patronizing; one of the forms of ethical behaviour is to assume your vis-à
>>vis is not a complete idiot.
>
>One: if I though you were an idiot, I would have treated you with greatest
>kindness, respect and concern. Since I think you are not, I also believe
>you can stand the challenge and resist running in tears to your Mummy (the
>list Big_Mother) to ask protection from his naughty Italian girl
>who 'patronizes ' you.
>
>Two: Ethical behavior is what restrains me constantly from saying, all the
>time, what I actually think of the style used on this list by all the
>other listees when they address each-other(from mandarinism to brutalism,
>none of which appeals to me, to be frank). But my delicacy towards your
>bad manners is obviously not reciprocated, since every now and then, from
>my screen, here springs out a head, which a regard as that of a telematic
>mushroom, screaming 'Erminia is patronizing', 'Erminia is
>this...', 'Erminia is that...' (defining what I am supposed to be)
>
>Therefore, I have 2 options: either I start defining myself what your
>defects in communication are, a list which would take me ages to compile,
>or I begin again evoking All the Holy Saints of the High circles, still
>provided with the law parts and organs of their human bodies, not leaving
>out any item which they contain.
>
>erminia
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