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Good ideas cris. I would like to suggest that people use examples of poems to support their arguments like the Ginsberg poem. What did Woody Guthrie have on his guitar? I would also like to remind people or suggest people look at Coral Hull's poets for peace list. I think you can get in through Thylazine. Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "cris cheek" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 3:33 AM Subject: Re: america > > Of course, there are many USAmericans who still ask hard questions, but > > what's sad about the way politics work in the US, Britain, & Canada to be > > sure, is that the government elected seems to feel that until the next > > election it need not pay any attention to the various minorities that > > disagree with what it wants to do, usually at the behest of multinational > > business (here, & in this war-mongering, seemigly especially big oil). > > > > It's a hell of a conundrum to try to figure out what any individual can do > > in these circumstances... > > Hi Douglas, > > yes. But when has it been any different, say in the past 20 years? > > What we need to do is engage in creative civil disobedience, reclaim our > streets / neighborhoods for public-private discourse and put imaginative > pressurres onto local and translocal representatives. Don't orientate so > much towards centres but get things moving from the bottom up and the inside > out. > > you know > > readdress ourselves to grass roots politics by making the traditional > parties feel increasingly uncomfortable and isolated > > love and love > cris