When I read a poem in public, Doug, I put my skin into it. It can be repeated but it's never quite the same thereafter. I can appreciate what you're saying about sound poems, I can find them quite fun to hear, but poems that are fully semantically, morally, rhythmically engaged, all at the same time, are a bugger to repeat. I can possibly re-do them in totally different environments, like other countries, because then I forget I ever read them in the first place. All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Barbour" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: Re: "This 'performative' poem" David, when you say: 'I always notice with my own poems, as a rule of thumb, that I can do one performance only, and after that it becomes mechanical. The moment is gone.' it doesn't ring true to me in my readings. So this is a personal thing perhaps, for all of us? I find, perhaps from my experience in sound poems, where, as in a jazz performance, every time is new in one small way or another. Performance, in this case, even of the written poems, alters partly due to something else you mentioned that can't travel, the ambience, which includes the audience & its participation in the event. Most of our sound poems (mine & Stephen Scobie's and my co-written pieces for Re: Sounding) are 'texts' but they are also only beginnings, like heads for jazz improvs. So a record of some kind or other will help, a tape or whatever, but I confess we shy from that because we know each performance is different. So that's sound poetry, but the written poems are, for me, 'scored' (in the sense Charles Olson had) to help anyone read them aloud, as close as possible to what the author hoped for. Doug Douglas Barbour Department of English University of Alberta Edmonton Alberta Canada T6G 2E5 (h) [780] 436 3320 (b) [780] 492 0521 http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/dbhome.htm the heart in its cage stands up desiring fine instruments Michele Leggott