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thanks to Roger Collett: > It > > is a sad state of affairs. > > > > yes, it is. one of the things I'm finding out through the internet is that this may be a US phenomenon as other countries do seem to have journal and bookoutlets that are economically viable and don't let themselves get boxed into the US traps, like academic, in, feminist, langpo, beat, Christian, etc. It might be a useful exercise to develop a list of examples of likes? I like what I've seen from Wild Honey, for example. tom bell