Dave, Your post recalled some advice Charles Bernstein offered in 'Lives of the Toll Takers': Our new service orientation mea nt not only changing the way we wrote poems but also diversifying into new poetry services. Poetic opportunities , however, do not fall into your lap, at least not very often. You've got to seek them out, and when you find them you've got to have the knowhow to take advantage of them. Keeping up with the new aesthetic environment is an ongoing process: you can't stand still. Besides, our current fees barely cover our expenses; any deviation from these levels would mean working for nothing. Poetry services provides cost savings to readers, such as avoiding hospitalizations (you're less likely to get in an accident if you're home reading poems), minimizing wasted time (condesare, and reducing adverse idea interactions (studies show higher levels of resistance to double-bind political programming among those who read 7.7 poems or more each week .) Poets deserve compensation for such services. For reader unwilling to pay the price we need to refuse to provide such service as alliteration, internal rhymes, exogamic structure, and unusual vocabulary. .... Wystan -----Original Message----- From: david.bircumshaw [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2002 4:15 a.m. To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Numbers >You know I have no idea, David. This year I haven't written much (except in a collaboration). Other years I'vr managed quite a bit. And look at the other Douglas, insisting he has nothing to write, but there are all those past ones, & the new one saying I can't write, but he does (don't you Douglas?) while listening, again, to Dylan.. Doug< Actualmente, Doug, I have a lot of sympathy for the 'other Doug' on this. I've noticed an alarming decline in the quality of my own writing in recent months, the roots of this are tangled, all sorts of personal stuff seems involved, as well as a sense of depression about the current cultural situation, something which manifests itself to me in very direct ways, it's not an abstract concern. It's as if I've had the stuffing knocked out of me, it seems as if the antithesis of the creative has won the day. Last night someone who has just moved into Arts Admin (at the age of 22) was lecturing me about my lack of marketing nous, poetry is 'a product' she told me and if I only contacted this number I would be given sound business advice on furthering my work. I used to hold to the illusion that poetry was a 'protected space' free of the deadly forces of greed and money but now I feel that it is becoming just another part of the 'system'. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Barbour" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Numbers >The other day I printed out and read through all the poems I have written >this year. It hasn't been quite so productive as some years, the grand total >was 18 poems, but 4 of them struck me as being in the direction I want. It >occurred to me too that about 4 to 6 poems a year of which one is reasonably >happy is a good 'strike rate' and I wondered what the opinions of others on >this might be. Obviously I am thinking of an overall average here, lucky >streaks can happen! You know I have no idea, David. This year I haven't written much (except in a collaboration). Other years I'vr managed quite a bit. And look at the other Douglas, insisting he has nothing to write, but there are all those past ones, & the new one saying I can't write, but he does (don't you Douglas?) while listening, again, to Dylan.. Doug Douglas Barbour Department of English University of Alberta Edmonton Alberta Canada T6G 2E5 (h) [780] 436 3320 (b) [780] 492 0521 http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/dbhome.htm Is that the flesh made word or is that the flesh-made word? Fred Wah