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Dave,
   Your post recalled some advice Charles Bernstein offered in 'Lives of the
Toll Takers':
                        Our new
           service orientation
    mea
                            nt
  not only changing the way we wrote poems but also diversifying
  into new poetry services. Poetic

   opportunities
  ,

   however, do not fall into your lap, at least not

  very often. You've got to seek them out, and when you find them

              you've got to have the knowhow to take advantage

  of them.

              Keeping up with the new aesthetic environment is an

 ongoing process: you can't stand still. Besides, our current fees

              barely cover our expenses; any deviation from these levels

 would

 mean working for nothing. Poetry services provides cost savings

       to readers, such

   as avoiding hospitalizations (you're less likely

to get in an accident if you're home reading poems), minimizing

 wasted time (condesare, and reducing

         adverse idea interactions

 (studies show higher levels of resistance to double-bind
 political programming among those who read 7.7 poems or more each week

 .)

 Poets deserve compensation

 for such services.

 For reader unwilling to pay the price

 we need to refuse to provide such

 service as alliteration,
      internal rhymes,
      exogamic structure, and
      unusual vocabulary.

   ....


  Wystan

-----Original Message-----
From: david.bircumshaw [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2002 4:15 a.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Numbers


>You know I have no idea, David. This year I haven't written much (except in
a collaboration). Other years I'vr managed quite a bit. And look at the
other Douglas, insisting he has nothing to write, but there are all those
past ones, & the new one saying I can't write, but he does (don't you
Douglas?) while listening, again, to Dylan..

Doug<

Actualmente, Doug, I have a lot of sympathy for the 'other Doug' on this.
I've noticed an alarming decline in the quality of my own writing in recent
months, the roots of this are tangled, all sorts of personal stuff seems
involved, as well as a sense of depression about the current cultural
situation, something which manifests itself to me in very direct ways, it's
not an abstract concern. It's as if I've had the stuffing knocked out of me,
it seems as if the antithesis of the creative has won the day. Last night
someone who has just moved into Arts Admin (at the age of 22) was lecturing
me about my lack of marketing nous, poetry is 'a product' she told me and if
I only contacted this number I would be given sound business advice on
furthering my work. I used to hold to the illusion that poetry was a
'protected space' free of the deadly forces of greed and money but now I
feel that it is becoming just another part of the 'system'.

Best

Dave




David Bircumshaw

Leicester, England

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Barbour" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Numbers


>The other day I printed out and read through all the poems I have written
>this year. It hasn't been quite so productive as some years, the grand
total
>was 18 poems, but 4 of them struck me as being in the direction I want. It
>occurred to me too that about 4 to 6 poems a year of which one is
reasonably
>happy is a good 'strike rate' and I wondered what the opinions of others on
>this might be. Obviously I am thinking of an overall average here, lucky
>streaks can happen!

You know I have no idea, David. This year I haven't written much (except in
a collaboration). Other years I'vr managed quite a bit. And look at the
other Douglas, insisting he has nothing to write, but there are all those
past ones, & the new one saying I can't write, but he does (don't you
Douglas?) while listening, again, to Dylan..

Doug

Douglas Barbour
Department of English
University of Alberta
Edmonton Alberta Canada T6G 2E5
(h) [780] 436 3320      (b) [780] 492 0521
http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/dbhome.htm

        Is that the flesh made word
        or is that the flesh-made word?

                        Fred Wah