Hi, I was talking about the contrast between a writer like Michael Hofmann, who is all too aware of convention and literature and someone as refreshing as Fallon, or Kavanagh, or even Yeats, who was admittedly, much more cosmopolitan than the others mentioned. That's what I thought you meant? Ireland has either teetered backwards upon itself in a self-absorbed but occassionally useful parochialism, but mostly Irish writers have looked to the Continent, and this is when Irish writing is at its best - when the best elements of the parochial mix with more sophisticated patterns -so ,we have Joyce, Beckett - I love their work, it goes beyond mere appreciation of literature,
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>Paul
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>your question has me totally lost - yup, living in backwaters might help in
>being unaware of conventions, but that wasn't what I was thinking about. I
>want to be angry about the way poetry is now: fraud, deceit, theft, lies are
>its commonplaces, I don't want to complacently burble on about theory, I
>want to say: THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
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>Essentially, poetry, like all the other arts, like our culture in general,
>is corrupt, poetry is a very minor participant, coz there ain't all that
>much money in it, but it happens, I know all too well about the users and
>abusers that inhabit the scene, who feign and fake moral concern while
>really looking out for themselves alone, you just try being ripped off by
>people on the scale I have, it is not a nice experience.
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>From: "paul murphy" <
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>you mean that it was written outside the conventions of what passed for
>literature in that period? For goodness sake, people living in backwater
>Ireland are always going to be writing in the way you describe, simply
>because they don't know what the conventions of literature should be, or are
>probably reading writers who are at least 30 years out of date.
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> >From: "david.bircumshaw"
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> >Doug
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> >I remember buying the very same out-of-date Padraic Fallon when I was about
> >nineteen, I think. His poems struck me, very uneven but full of texture, of
> >charges of rhythm and sound, very unlike the boring stuff that is mostly
> >produced today, they took risks, but when people are writing poems not from
> >an inner need but to an eye to grants, winning competitions, being invited
> >to read, status in the the literary community, as it were, the result is
> >utter dullness. I could say more but I'd better not.
> >
> >Best
> >
> >Dave
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> >
> >David Bircumshaw
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> >Leicester, England
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> >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Douglas Clark"
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> >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:39 PM
> >Subject: Padraic Fallon
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> >Just to say that I got the new Carcanet catalogue in this
> >morning and see that in Autumn 2003 they intend issuing a
> >new Padraic Fallon Selected POems to replace the out-of-print
> >book that I have. I think it is the only book in the catalogue
> >that I will buy as basically I part company with keeping
> >up-to-date with poetry.
> >
> >
> >
> >Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto:
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> >Lynx: Poetry from Bath .......... http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html
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