Having spent a lot of time hunting down the origin of the Bevan 'stuffing their mouths with gold' quotation as I was using it for the title of my thesis it can be difficult to trace Bevan's more off the cuff comments - particularly as neither he or his widow were any good at keeping copies of speeches, articles, letters etc.  

Have you looked at the full 2-volume edition of Foot rather than the condensed one volume edition published in 1997?

Another place to look is John Campbell's biography of Bevan - much better than Foot's on the politics. 

There is an old collection of speeches called (I believe) 'Aneurin Bevan and (on?) the NHS' - although IIRC it doesn't have an index so may not be much use. 

Volume I of Charles Webster's History of the NHS  may also be worth looking at.

There's also a recent collection of essays on Bevan edited by Geoffrey Goodman.

You might also ask someone at Tribune which as the Bevanite house journal in the 40's and 50's must have a lot of relevant stuff in its archives.

ROGER

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Topics of the day:

  1. Bevan and Bedpans - are your reference skills up to it?
  2. Duplicates on offer
  3. Health info events page updated
  4. British Journal of Nursing

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Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:50:47 +0100
From:    Andrew Booth <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Bevan and Bedpans - are your reference skills up to it?

Dear colleagues. can you help me?

One of our readers is on the track of an authoritative reference for Aneurin
Bevan's quote about one dropped bedpan being heard in the Palace of Westminster
(recently recycled by Health Secretary Alan Millburn [the quote not the bedpan,
one hopes!])
We seem to have established that the proper quote was probably made in 1948
when Bevan was Minister for Health and it was probably more accurately:

"the sound of a bedpan falling in Tredegar Hospital would resound in the Palace
of Westminster".

We have also established that it is not in Michael Foot's Biography of Bevan.
So is anyone able to help? - by checking histories of NHS, other biographies,
quotation books etcetera - remember that all I have here is a couple of
computer terminals and a couple of dictionaries :-)

BTW It is not worth checking the Internet for this one - I am 99.8% positive of
that - I have found unauthoritative versions of the quote on the Guardian Web
site, Millburn's speech to the Fabian society and even in the NHS Plan all via
the Internet. It would be nice to think that "one dropped line at ScHARR would
resound in the UK health libraries community" - even in August!

BTWA Yes I know that it is "quotation", not "quote" but I didn't want to have
to write that but I guess now I have!

Andrew Booth BA MSc Dip Lib MCLIP
Senior Lecturer in Evidence Based Healthcare Information
& Director of Information Resources
School of Health and Related Research (ScHARR)
Regent Court, 30 Regent Street
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Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:23:35 +0100
From:    Emma Brant <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Duplicates on offer

Dear All,

Please see below the duplicates that we have on offer for the price of post=
age.

Duplicate Journals

The American Journal of Medicine

15th April 2002, Vol. 112, No. 6
22nd April 2002, Vol. 112, Suppl. 6A
1st June 2002, Vol. 112, No. 8
3rd June 2002, Vol. 112, Suppl. 8A

Annals of the Rheumatic Diseases

July 2002, Vol. 61, No. 7
August 2002, Vol. 61, No. 8

Archives of Disease in Childhood

March 2002, Vol. 86, No. 3

The Asthma Journal

June 1996, Vol. 1, No. 3
March 1998, Vol. 3, No. 2 (2 copies)

Audit Trends

December 1993, Vol. 1, No. 4

British Journal of Cardiology

May 2002, Vol. 9, No. 5

British Journal of Diabetes and Vascular Disease

May/June 2002, Vol. 2, No. 2.

British Journal of Nursing

14th - 27th March 2002, Vol. 11, No. 5
23rd May - 12th June 2002, Vol. 11, No. 10
8th August - 11th September 2002, Vol. 11, No. 15

British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynae

November 1997, Vol. 104, Suppl. 16

BMJ

27th April 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7344
4th May 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7345
18th May 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7347
25th May 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7348 (2 copies)
1st June 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7349 (3 copies)
8th June 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7350
15th June 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7351 (2 copies)
22nd June 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7352 (3 copies)
29th June 2002, Vol. 324, No. 7353 (2 copies)
6th July 2002, Vol. 325, No. 7354
20th July 2002, Vol. 325, No. 7356
27th July 2002, Vol. 325, No. 7357
3rd August 2002, Vol. 325, No. 7358
10th August 2002, Vol. 325, No. 7359

Circulation

26th March 2002, Vol. 105, No. 12
2nd April 2002, Vol. 105, No. 13

Clinical Chemistry

2001, Vol. 47, No. 2

Clinical and Experimental Rheumatology

September/October 1994, Vol. 12, No. 5

Clinical Medicine

May/June 2002, Vol. 2, No. 3

Drugs and Therapeutics Bulletin

Cumulative Index to Vols. 37 - 39, 1999 - 2001
November 2001, Vol. 39, No. 11
February 2002, Vol. 40, No. 2

Effective Health Care

2002, Vol. 7, No. 4 (2 copies)

European Journal of Surgical Oncology

March 2002, Vol. 28, No. 2
April 2002, Vol. 38, No. 3

Guidelines in Practice

May 1999, Vol. 2
July 2001, Vol. 4, No. 7

Health Service Journal

28th February 2002, Vol. 112, No. 5794
21st March 2002, Vol. 112, No. 5797
28th March 2002, Vol 112, No. 5798
4th April 2002, Vol. 112, No. 5799
11th April 2002, Vol. 112, No. 5800

Hospital Doctor

18th April 2002
18th July 2002

Hospital Medicine

July 2002, Vol. 63, No. 7

International Journal of Social Psychiatry

Autumn 1968, Vol. 14, No. 4

Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy

September 1981, Vol. 8, Suppl. B
July 1983, Vol. 12, Suppl. A

Journal of Clinical Pathology

November 1985, Vol. 38, No. 11
June 1988, Vol. 41, No. 6
October 1988, Vol. 41, No. 10
November 1988, Vol. 41, No. 11
December 1988, Vol. 41, No. 12
January 1989, Vol. 42, No. 1
March 1989, Vol. 42, No. 3
December 1989, Vol. 42, No. 12

Journal of Hand Surgery (British)

June 1986, Vol. 11 B
February 1986, Vol. 11 B

Journal Watch Cardiology

April 2002, Vol. 8, No. 4

Medicine

February 1995, Vol. 23, No. 2
May 1995, Vol. 23, No. 5
September 1995, Vol. 23, No. 9
November 1995, Vol. 23, No. 11

Nephrology, Dialysis, Transplantation

March 2002, Vol. 17, No. 3

New England Journal of Medicine

6th June 2002, Vol. 346, No. 23
20th June 2002, Vol. 346, No. 25

Physical Therapy

June 2002, Vol. 82, No. 6
July 2002, Vol. 82, No. 7

Prescribers' Journal

1993, Vol. 33, No. 3
1993, Vol. 33, No. 4
1993, Vol. 33, No. 5
1994, Vol. 34, No. 2
1994, Vol. 34, No. 3
1997, Vol. 37, No. 4
1998, Vol. 38, No. 2
1998, Vol. 38, No. 4

Primary Care Respiratory Journal

June 2002, Vol. 11, No. 2
Vol. 11, Suppl. 1

Professional Nurse

January 2002, Vol. 17, No. 5
February 2002, Vol. 17, No. 6
March 2002, Vol. 17, No. 7

Progress in Neurology and Psychiatry

May/June 1999, Vol. 3, No. 3

Psychiatry

2002, Vol. 1, No. 1 (2 copies)

Psychological Medicine

August 2002, Vol. 32, No. 6

Thorax

September 1998, Vol. 53, No. 9

World Psychiatry

June 2002, Vol. 1, No. 2

Emma Brant
Library and Informatics Assistant
Rowlands Library
Charles Hastings Education Centre
Worcestershire Royal Hospital
Worcestershire Acute Hospitals NHS Trust
Charles Hastings Way
Worcester
WR5 1DD

Tel:  01905 760601
Fax:  01905 760866

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Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:12:45 +0100
From:    "McLean, Fiona" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Health info events page updated

Apologies for crossposting

Page is at http://www.bl.uk/services/information/training.html

I've added a lot of events/training being held around the UK (*not* =
just
London!) and in Ireland.

Some particular things to mention:
The Health Sciences Libraries Group of the Library Association of =
Ireland's
annual conference is being held at the Bridge House Hotel, Tullamore on
Thurs Oct 31st / Fri Nov 1st, the title of which is "Evolving with the
Evidence". Essentially, it is an introduction for Librarians to =
Evidence
Based Medicine, Research and Teaching / Instructional Skills. Contact:
[log in to unmask]
There are several added entries for patient/consumer health info =
events. One
is the Patients Information Forum conference on 8th October in =
London.(OK,
I'm biased- I help them with publicity- but it does look like a useful =
and
practical event!) Contact: [log in to unmask]
I didnt expect the page to be loaded this quickly, so apologies for =
having
dropped the 2 events below which havent happened yet!
Date: 28th August 2002
Titles: Using the Internet for Clinically Effective Searching in =
Scotland
(InterCESS)-am &/or
Critically Appraised Digests - Using Clinical Effectiveness Updating =
Skills
(CADUCUES) -pm (SCHARR workshops)
Venue: Glasgow University
Price: =A355 for one session, =A390 for both.
Contact: [log in to unmask] =20
Date: 29th August 2002
Titles: Using the Internet for Clinically Effective Searching in =
Scotland
(InterCESS)-am &/or
Critically Appraised Digests - Using Clinical Effectiveness Updating =
Skills
(CADUCUES) -pm (SCHARR workshops)
Venue: Edinburgh University
Price: =A355 for one session, =A390 for both.
Contact: [log in to unmask] =20
As always, please do let me know if you are organising an event so I =
can add
it (as long as its not something only open to members of an =
organisation).
Brief details are welcome, with fuller details later, as it helps to =
have
lots of notice.Thank you.
Fiona McLean
Health care information officer, British Library
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Webpages: http://www.bl.uk/health

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Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:36:02 -0000
From:    "Merriott, Sue" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: British Journal of Nursing

Please would anyone have a spare copy of the 'Silver Supplement' for British
Journal of Nursing,  December 2001??

We would be eternally grateful!

Sue

Susan J. Merriott
Library Services Manager
Worthing Postgraduate Centre
Park Avenue, Worthing, BN11 2HR
Tel 01903 285025 Fax: 01903 285125
e-mail: [log in to unmask]

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