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As a publisher, I would strongly welcome librarians following Joseph Chamberlain's suggestion - tell faculty (as both journal users and authors) when some behave like you say Elsevier do. Maybe faculty would welcome action being taken when the situation is extreme. Bill Page ------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Page Beech Tree Publishing - Research Evaluation - Science and Public Policy - Outlook on Science Policy - Impact Assessment and Project Appraisal 10 Watford Close, Guildford, Surrey GU1 2EP, UK Telephone +44 1483 824871 Fax +44 1483 567497 Email [log in to unmask] Website www.scipol.demon.co.uk (including links to journal abstracts and full texts on CatchWord/Ingenta site) -----Original Message----- From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Joseph Chamberlain Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 5:42 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Elsevier May I add to the correspondence on Elsevier? The correspondence centres on a dispute between librarians and Elsevier. However, the third party is the user of the journals. If you want to impose sanctions on the publisher you will have to do it via the user. Are the scientists aware of the exorbitant prices charged by Elsevier and the devious tricks they use to bump up prices? Would scientists decide not to send their work to Elsevier journals if they were aware? If the 'impact factor can distort the apparent worth of a journal and change scientists' attitude to journals, you might consider whether an equivalent factor for price-benefit might have a similar effect. Just a thought. Dr Joseph Chamberlain