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hey Mike I've managed to not drown through the ARC submission process, but worn myself out by doing it all in too little time. As usual! The application centres on the melt escape story in Fiordland, and there are LOTS of Brown references so I can only hope they will be sensible and send it to you! Anyway, I submitted an abstract; copy attached FYI After 5 brief days with the family it is back to NZ to run an undergraduate trip. Onward! best wishes Geoff -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Clarke School of Geosciences F05 ph. 61 2 9351 2919 University of Sydney fax 61 2 9351 0184 NSW 2006 Australia