Yes, Ross, Altman fits into what Martin in his 1992 Continuum essay calls the expressionist tier of mise en scene; films "whose textual economy is pitched more at the level of a broad fit between elements of style and elements of subject...general strategies...reinforce the general "feel" or meaning of the subject matter." This evening I watched Ang Lee's The Ice Storm (it seemed meteorologically apt!) and was struck by its dreamlike aestheticization of Connecticut weather conditions. The icy trees etc were in fact digitally generated, I believe. We often say that non-American directors have made some of the most telling films about America and American society, yet it's often by such aestheticization that they get something of the spirit of the place. Where this leaves the 'immediacy' of documentary/cinema verite is anybody's guess. As 'aesthetic' as US directors can be, I suppose they are too mired in it to have the kind of access to its brute facticity that invites this kind of abstractionism. I suppose too that making films 'about America' involves having a collective perspective which tends to be alien to American world views. Aestheticization in the work of Kubrick, Altman, Scorsese, Mann etc is usually keyed to individual perspectives and interactions (which, of course, is why individualist classicism is the Hollywood aesthetic par excellence). In the real world this leads to the Bush administration's manic pursuit of terrorists, rather than attempting to understand how the 'American Century' could have lead to 9/11 etc. But I digress. Have to agree with Robert re. Bad Boy Bubby, which was one of the finest (of the very few) Australian films which made it over here. Haven't yet seen Rabbit-Proof Fence which Martin has also written about in S&S. Richard