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Damian, sorry I have disappointed you. I never said that either PoMo or Santa Claus didn't exist: the posts on this and many more lists confirm the existence of PoMo, and thousands of turists coming to Lapland can do the same for Santa Claus. You would be surprised to find that I even agree with and find useful some writers that are put under the PoMo umbrella . So when you say: I don't agree with many definitions of P-M, but I can't deny that it does exist - even if only in the minds of cultural critics. This is important if only because those critics are teaching (or being read by) the current and next generation of artists, filmmakers etc. I can only agree with you. But when you write that: P-M critique doesn't try to explain all current culture as P-M, so why do you (and others) suggest that in does. I can only disagree. Ruth has nicely summarised some of the classic PoMo views. The bottom line is: the PoMo is something one cannot escape, no matter what one is doing, no matter where one is living. Wish I could find that idiotic Zizek's article (written after the shelling of Buddhas) arguing that Taliban government is a postmodern government. Of course, I strongly disagree with this kind of generalisations, just as you do. But you cannot pretend that many PoMo writings to not tend to embrace the whole Universe into the PoMo lap. This might disappoint you just as the rest of my PoMo postings. But then it is enought to change the subject - to my and many other's joy. Cheers, Boris Vidovic