Hi Richard Am not really sure what you are getting at. What you say is a little strange. are you agraid of being bombarded with bogus requests? Surely the important thing is that no personal data is released except to someone with a legitimate right to have it? After all its the personal data we have to protect not our subject access procedures. colette St Helens Council Richard Poynder <[log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] > cc: Sent by: This list is Subject: Re: SAR letter for those interested in Data Protection issues <data-protection@JISCM AIL.AC.UK> 30/09/2002 14:33 Please respond to Richard Poynder Here's something that interests me: to what extent does the enquirer need to establish a right to ask about the procedures for obtaining information in the first place (i.e. simply enquire about the procedure for obtaining what data is held, rather than specifically asking for information on a named individual)? In other words, is it acceptable to respond to an enquiry about how you obtain the information and how much would it cost with the reply: "what do you want it for?" And then only tell them the procedure itself if they tell you why they want to know how to make an application? Richard Poynder -----Original Message----- From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] Sent: 27 September 2002 15:46 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [data-protection] SAR letter In a message dated 27/09/2002 14:19:28 GMT Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << If not, I can't find any obligation in the Act to reply at all, even to ask them to send in the fee. Is this a loophole, or am being obtuse? >> ----------- Blimey, can't you tell it's Friday? Putting another angle on this (geddit?) I can be just as obtuse (pretending of course as I haven't actually asked you for my data) by saying "as you did not inform me that you required a fee it is reasonable for me to assume you did not charge for SARs and accordingly your 40 days started when you received the letter." The law says "such a fee (not exceeding the prescribed maximum) as he may require". To require something in UK law you have to make that requirement known to the individual concerned, either generally or specifically. It's something to do with a requirement for transparency. Ian Buckland Managing Director Keep IT Legal Ltd Please Note: The information contained in this document does not replace or negate the need for proper legal advice and/or representation. It is essential that you do not rely upon any advice given without contacting your solicitor. If you need further explanation of any points raised please contact Keep I.T. Legal Ltd at the address below: 55 Curbar Curve Inkersall, Chesterfield Derbyshire S43 3HP (Reg 3822335) Tel: 01246 473999 Fax: 01246 470742 E-mail: [log in to unmask] Website: www.keepitlegal.co.uk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - www.jiscmail.ac.uk/user-manual/summary-user-commands.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - www.jiscmail.ac.uk/user-manual/summary-user-commands.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - www.jiscmail.ac.uk/user-manual/summary-user-commands.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^