Fully agreed! ...by the way, your English is perfect! Manuel Manuel Magalhaes [log in to unmask] ALTRAN TECHNOLOGIES UK The Counting House 4th Floor, 53 Tooley St. London SE1 2QN United Kingdom Phone: +44 (0)20 7397 71 00 Fax: +44 (0)20 7397 71 01 eFax: +44 (0)87 0138 80 59 www.altran-group.com -----Original Message----- From: Inés Calzada Gutiérrez [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 21 February 2002 19:49 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Abstention Well, I think it´s important to launch a debate about the consecuences of the Euro, of course. But I understand the Euro as the last stone in an already stablished set of european institutions. Just another step in the development of a specific "model of Europe". Maybe the debate would be more fruitful if it includes the analysis of the institutions of the EU as a whole. (I think someone wrote something similar in this list) About the "abstentionism" (I know is not the main topic, but it seems quite interesting to me), I would say that the problem is not if it´s right or wrong in moral terms, but if it´s a good or bad strategy in political terms (or "tactic", like Pablo said). I don´t think abstentionism is a good strategy (in general) because the % of abstention is a very ambiguous index. It can be explained as dissent (the population is angry with the situation, so they don´t vote) or consent (the population is so happy with the situation that they don´t care to vote). This ambiguity makes the % of abstention easily instrumentalized from very different positions, and easily ignored from the Government. (and also very dificult to analyse in marxist terms). Best wishes and sorry for my bad english, Inés. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Quinones To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Euro vote I fully agree with Julian Wells and Michael Fisher, except for one minor point: I think is not always wrong to be "abstentionist", in my opinion it is only a question about tactic and it have to be defined case by case. However, in this case I also think it is wrong.