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Dennis, You are in grave danger of a small beating from me with the wet celery. This particular BMS is a member of ACB as well as IBMS and I wasn't aware that we had to post our qualifications to join in any Forum. I know that several other contributors to this forum are also BMS, but as you know I tend to be one of the noisy ones. Don't you dare accuse us of being apathetic because we are not constantly posting items. We are all together in this dreaded NHS and accusing colleagues of not caring is insulting and untrue. Many BMS do not have access to the internet either at home or at work. I'm lucky, but I know many colleagues have to prise their consultants our of the office to log on. Perhaps the reason that BMS don't spend hours on Forums is because they are too busy doing the bloody work! Hopping mad Jan Still POCT manager and BMS, Watford General Hospital, Watford, Herts. 01923-217998 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com