On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 00:32, Iris wrote: > >my worry is that XHTML remains a very presentation-oriented markup. > > the whole point about xhtml is that it emphasizes correct use of structural > mark-up with all presentational mark-up removed to a stylesheet. if XHTML had more structure, and removed the presentational elements, I'd be all for it > to be > able to reduce a webpage to just the structural mark-up gives the user > total control over presentation. this is where it is accessible. lets take your own page quoted in the previous message. Consider the fragment below a) you jump straight to a fourth-level heading from nowehere b) we dont know where the thing associated with <h4> ends c) hard line breaks in the paragraph d) forced "thing" (<br clear="all">_ e) meaningless <div> (breadcrumbs) holding a "Home" link I am not meaning to criticize your page, this is all standard stuff we'd find in all our pages, but its far too low-level! its still presentation, even if you make it well-formed XML (which it is not at present, I am afraid). <h4>NADO - The National Association of Disability Officers</h4> <p class="small">A professional association for Disability Officers<br/> working in <acronym title="United Kingdom">UK</acronym> Higher and Further Education Institutions</p> <br clear="all" /> <!-- breadcrumbs --> <div class="crumbs"> <a class="nav" href="index.html">Home</a> </div> -- Sebastian Rahtz OUCS Information Manager 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN. Phone +44 1865 283431