It is refreshing for once to hear people open up to criticism, sorry to "revisit" the topic but I would like to hear from those who have failed the chartership - I have recently attended a chartership meeting and was really surprised that a bright and alert person there had been failed.

CILIP seems to be a hybrid which is neither a trade union, nor a place where academic interests are encouraged (my top priorities - there is precedent for both if you read the LA history: a close liaison with the AUT and UCL/LSE in the past, to name the two core links) - the proforma headings are out of whack with present career structures, the salaries advertised in the job supplement defy justification by now (a mean average of 16k or less).

Why charter: solely for myself, it seems, the possibility of impressing employers who are each year looking at paying information workers less and less seems very remote, if not "quaint".

There is no question in my mind that: a) I don't want to be called a librarian nor be engaged with daily functional trivia b) the natural progression is to a proper job where you are taken seriously (this has never been the case with information workers anywhere I worked in terms of organisational power) c) it is just a question of specialising within a discipline, rather than be rewarded for being a "functional" librarian (ie a jack of all trades - how can you ever possibly be paid for specialisation and still have something to say on every heading of the portfolio -).

I think there should be different strands within the chartership - why should we all fufil these "headings" when we don't value them, our employers do not value them, and specialisation is rarely taken seriously ?.

Emilce Rees

 

 

 



 

>From: "Bye, Dan J" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: "Bye, Dan J" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Consume!
>Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:29:09 +0100
>
>I think it would be pointless to try to turn CILIP into a trade union: let it concentrate on what it is good at (whatever we think that may
>be). Obviously it will have some things to say about working conditions, quite rightly, but that shouldn't be it's predominant activity.
>
>If you want to be a member of an organisation that will specifically defend pay and conditions why not join an actual trade union? I'm a
>member of Unison for just that reason. I joined the LA/CILIP for other reasons.
>
>I'd hope there would be more searching criticisms of our 'professional body' than that it doesn't fight hard enough for us to play a bigger
>part in an already unsustainable consumer society.
>
>[Stands back and waits for the flames]
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Georgina Spencer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 17 June 2002 10:16
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: (Fwd) RE: PDR marking procedures
> >
> >
> > Absolutely Owen why not?
> >
> > After all they put salary recommendations on their website but they
> > don't actually do anything to support us in reaching those levels.
> >
> > ------- Forwarded message follows -------
> > From: Owen C Thomas <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: "'Georgina Spencer'" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: RE: PDR marking procedures
> > Date sent: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:11:28 +0100
> >
> > I too wonder sometimes what they actually do for us. They
> > don't seem to do
> > anything to improve working conditions or pay for instance.
> >
> > Here's a suggestion - how about a camapaign for CILIP to
> > affilate to the
> > TUC?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Georgina Spencer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:53 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: PDR marking procedures
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I would just like to support the email that Lisa sent to the list.
> >
> > I believe many of us feel let down by our so called professional
> > body. We work hard to meet their deadlines and this then appears
> > to be for nothing. I pay my membership fees and have paid the
> > money to have my PDR marked (although obviously I will now have
> > to wait until next month for this to happen) and what do I get in
> > return? Well, frankly it would appear very little.
> >
> > I too will receive a pay rise when chartered. Unfortunately this will
> > then mean a higher subscription rate for a service that so far seems
> > to be sadly lacking in all respects.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Georgina Spencer.
> > **********************************************************
> > Georgina Spencer
> > Assistant Librarian
> > Hollings Library
> > Manchester Metropolitan University
> > Old Hall Lane
> > Manchester M14 6HR
> >
> > Tel: 0161 247 6119
> > E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> > **********************************************************
> > ------- End of forwarded message -------
> >


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