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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I suspect this distinction might be impossible to make before the Revolution, the monarchy deliberately identifying itself with France. Tom izbicki At 06:43 PM 11/16/2001 +0000, you wrote: >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > Is Saint Martin in fact the patron of France? I > > thought it was Saint Denis. > >Don't we have to distinguish between the patron saint of (the realm of) >France and the patron saint of the Royal House ? > >Surely St Denys is the patron saint of the French monarchy ? Esp. after the >standoff at Reims in 1124 when - according to tradition, says she hastily - >the oriflamme was paraded for the first time. The battle-cry of the French >Kings leading their troops to battle was "Montjoye-Saint-Denys". > >BTW Interesting that the Oriflamme seems to have survived the French >Revolution as the symbol of the spirit of France even tho its monarchy had >gone. Its last manifestation seems to date from c. 1913 or at least that is >the date I would ascribe to what I saw in the Chapel of St Louis in the >Abbey of St-Denys a few months back.... > >Brenda M. C. > >********************************************************************** >To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >to: [log in to unmask] >To send a message to the list, address it to: >[log in to unmask] >To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion >to: [log in to unmask] >In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: >[log in to unmask] >For further information, visit our web site: >http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html Thomas M. Izbicki Collection Development Coordinator Eisenhower Library Johns Hopkins University 3400 N. Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Telephone: 410-516-7173 Fax: 410-516-8399 ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html