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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture How are these things determined, indeed? I am rather tired of seeing the statement that "x" is patron saint of "y" projected back to the earliest middle ages! has any work been done on "specialization" of saints? i would be particularly interested in any examples concerning St. Barbara! Meg >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >How are these things determined? Long-standing cult? Some decree, as with >recent selections to be honored as doctors of the church? I ask this in >part because Rosemary Ellen Guilley's The Encyclopedia of the Saints (Facts >on File, 2001) - which I am reviewing - lists neither Dennis or >Martin. Instead she lists Joan of Arc, Therese of Lisieux & Our Lady of >the Assumption. Allowing for change over time, do some patrons fall out of >favor or get set aside? >Tom Izbicki >At 01:06 PM 11/16/2001 +0100, you wrote: >>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Marjorie Greene <[log in to unmask]> >>To: <[log in to unmask]> >>Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:17 AM >>Subject: Re: [M-R] Sv: [M-R] saints of the day 11. November >> > >> > Is Saint Martin in fact the patron of France? I >> > thought it was Saint Denis. >> > >> > MG >> >>Dear Marjorie and List Members, >> >> I have found St. Martin called a patron saint of France in a number of >> sources. For example, >> >>the PATRON SAINTS INDEX http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/indexsnt.htm >>"patronage: against impoverishment, against poverty, alcoholism, beggars, >>Burgenland, cavalry, equestrians, France, geese, horse men, horses, >>hotel-keepers, innkeepers, quartermasters, reformed alcoholics, riders, >>soldiers, tailors, vintners, wine growers, wine makers " >> >>and the Index of Saints http://users.erols.com/saintpat/ss/ss-index.htm >> >>"Saint Martin is venerated at Tours. He serves as patron of armorers, >>beggars, cavalry, coopers, domestic animals, France, geese, girdlers, >>glovers, horses and horsemen, infantrymen, millers, innkeepers, soldiers, >>tailors, wine growers and wine merchants (because his feast falls just >>after the vendange), and wool-weavers (because he divided his cloak) >>(Roeder). He is invoked against drunkenness, storms, and ulcers (Roeder). " >> >>What I am unsure about is when he came to be considered a patron saint of >>France. >> >>Any ideas? >> >>Thanks, >>Marina Vidas >> >> > > > Martin of Tours (d. 397) Martin has over the >> > > centuries been one of the >> > > > most-loved saints of western Christendom. He was >> > > born in Pannonia in >> > > > 316/317 (modern Szombathely in Hungary), the son >> > > of non-Christian parents. >> > > > A typical military brat, he moved when his father >> > > was restationed, and >> > > > spent his childhood in Pavia. There he learned >> > > about Christianity, and >> > > > decided to become a monk---a plan thwarted by his >> > > dad, who made Martin >> > > > become a soldier, stationed in Gaul. After his >> > > famous cloak episode, >> > > > Martin was baptized, although he did not leave the >> > > army for another twenty >> > > > years (in 356). Afterwards, Martin lived for >> > > several years as a hermit, >> > > > founding three monasteries in the process >> > > (including Liguge, the first >> > > > monastery in Gaul and perhaps the oldest monastery >> > > in all Europe). He >> > > > became famous as a missionary, and in 371 became >> > > bishop of Tours. 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