Conventionally, I understood, skull x-rays were requested in infants because it is uncommon to have skull fractures caused by a fall in a non-mobile age group, and a screen for NAI was necessary. There are certainly 5 month olds who roll, and certainly some who roll off the bed, but surely the combination of a "roll" and a fracture would prompt some consideration for NAI and trigger thoughts of admission. Can't remember which (gruesome) study looked at the force necessary to fracture an infant's skull, but seem to remember that about 5 ft was the usual height. Are children are more prone to skull fractures than adults ? I would have thought that the skull in young children would have acted like ribs, springier, and led to relatively greater intracerebral injury for the same force. Paul Ransom, SpR A&E Hastings ---- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Fogarty <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:36 AM Subject: Re: Head injuries Maybe Bill, but consider the corollary of your argument. If we didn't x-ray then surely this particular kid would've been discharged on the basis of good clinical signs. However I believe she needed to be admitted despite her good clinical picture, and so did the neurosurgeon. Remember I saw her within two hours of injury, and her window of risk probably ran to at least 12 hours. I believe the decision to admit or discharge in such cases is very much guided by x-ray findings. I think it's important to remember that classic epidurals still occur. Such patients might have no LOC, and can be clinically very well on presentation. Yet the skull fracture will lead to an epidural over the next few hours. Clinical assessment is quite redundant in such cases. Only the skull x-ray will alert you to the potential problem, and such patients are far too well to CT. Conversely it is generally accepted that a normal patient with a normal x-ray has a vanishingly small risk of problems. Sure there is always that 1 in 10,000 patient who defies the rules, but Bolam will protect us in such cases! Besides, we can't be expected to treat 10,000 to achieve one benefit. Adrian Fogarty ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bailey To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 4:39 AM Subject: Re: Head injuries Adrian Is there not a danger that a normal skull XR in this situation could lull you into a false sense of security? I was under the impression that the correlation between skull fracture and significant intracerebral injury in kids was significantly less than in adults, i.e. there will be more kids with significant brain injury without a skull fracture. I would suggest that the decision to admit for neuro obs [if there is no indication for CT or it isn't available], should be based upon clinical findings rather than skull XR or you run the risk of discharging a child with a significant brain injury on the basis of a normal skull XR. Best wishes Bill Bailey ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Fogarty To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Head injuries Original Message from Paul Bailey, 27th September 2001 > The real issue with skull films in my opinion is that they do not answer the question that you need to ask..... which is: does this patient have a clinically significant intracerebral injury that requires neurosurgery? Sure, a skull fracture might alter the probabilities, but you probably go from rare to slightly less rare.... Skull XRays are a relic of the pre CT era for the vast majority of patients.... The evidence is that in patients with rigidly defined minor head injury, and GCS of 15..... approx 5-7% will have any form of CT abnormality, and somewhere around 0.5%-1.0% will have an intracerebral abnormality requiring neurosurgery. Armed with this knowledge that a large number of normal scans will be required to detect those with significant intracerebral pathology..... it is up to the clinician to decide which test is appropriate. In my humble opinion, radiology and radiologists have no place in deciding what investigation is appropriate in this setting. We are the clinicians, experienced in the assessment of these patients.....In addition, the value of a normal scan is that neurological observation is not required, the patient can go home safely, and it's one less patient in the department to worry about.....I would think that the only use for skull films in an institution where CT head is readily available is in the infant paediatric population..... but that is an entirely different argument. ---------------------- Just thought it was timely to raise this subject again. Saw a five month old baby tonight, fell off bed onto stone floor. No LOC and well since. However Mum worried as large parietal swelling rapidly developed. My exam revealed very well baby and large parietal scalp haematoma. So I did a skull film which showed a long parietal skull fracture. Admitted child under paeds and discussed with our neurosurgeons. They felt a CT was not indicated, partly as child very well and partly as a CT would probably require a GA or sedation. In other words the CT might well lead to more problems than it would solve, so simple observation was the lesser of two evils. Another factor must be the radiation involved in head CT, which would be considerable for an infant. Although it's difficult to be precise about this, it cannot be discounted as a factor. Do I presume this is what Paul Bailey meant by the use of skull films in the paediatric population? Basically I felt the skull film was an ideal investigation to stratify risk and direct management in this case. I can't CT all well-babies who have temporoparietal swellings, but neither should I admit them all for neuro-obs. A plain skull film neatly discriminates in this situation. Adrian Fogarty