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In article <[log in to unmask]>, dodgydoc <[log in to unmask]> writes >Do those of you advocating this, honestly, with your >mits on your bits, get ALL your shoulders back this >way, without analgesia? All - yes (so far), without analgesia - no. Certainly need much less analgesia (occasional puffs of entonox). Gautam Dr G Ray A&E Sussex Reply to [log in to unmask]