For those of us old enough to have lived in a preconciliar church, these now-obscure terms were a part of a seasonal liturgical life, half understood in an already urban and almost Latinless environment, but nonetheless possessed of a sort of vague romance that seems so forgotten today: ah, yes, here are the ember days again, and the litany of the saints that is such a strange and lovely thing to hear.jw -----Original Message----- From: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Patrick Nugent Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:12 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Quatuor Temporum Many thanks to John Wickstrom and Otto Lieberknecht for answering my question about the quatuor tempora. I'm glad the answer was simple! Patrick Nugent ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Patrick J. Nugent Earlham College Richmond, Indiana 47374 USA [log in to unmask] (765) 983-1413