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Boniface VIII tried to straighten this out in Super cathedram by creating a process of licensing by the bishop. This decree was revoked by his successor, Benedict XI, a Dominican; but it was reinstated by Clement V in Dudum a Bonifacio (Clem. 3.7.2). Needless to say, these were not the last words on a touchy issue. Tom Izbicki At 06:31 AM 2/6/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Canningt, >Wouldn't the Dominicans be an exception to this rule? They could preach and >hear confessions by papal mandate, even (theoretically) without the local >bishop's consent. Isn't this what Contra impugnantes, and various more or >less contemporary polemical writings, are all about? >Luciana > > >Luciana Cuppo Csaki >[log in to unmask] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/9891 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Canning" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:37 PM >Subject: Re: concathedrality > > >But abbots are pontiffs. They may celebrate mass, the office and other >services as pontifical services when in mitre and crosier. The mass is >identical to a bishops Pontifical Mass except for the absence of a zuchetto, >and no reference to the abbot in the EP. > >Indeed All Sacraments are celebrated by the bishop or his deputy, and only >on his authority. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Durk [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:24 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: concathedrality > >Cistercian abbots, however, did have the authority to >ordain their subjects to minor orders without >dimissorials. I believe this is still the case >although it has not been exercised for some centuries. >It does, however, raise some interesting questions >about the link between pontifical and sacramental >authority, since the abbots in question were priests, >not bishops. > >Rob > > >--- damien boquet <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >Abbés et insignes épiscopaux > >Pour > > autant, les abbés doient > > toujours avoir recours à la juridiction épiscopale > > pour le sacrement de > > l'ordre, la bénédiction des autels et celle du saint > > chrême. > > >____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie