This discussion has provided a lot of interesting points on
a topic I should know more about. But I'm still wondering, if that is an
appropriate descriptor, what these cathedralized monks did with their
days and nights--did they follow the Rule in a manner similar to other
Benedictines on the continent, did they have extra responsibilities for
as Jim B put it, the "care of souls of the bishopric" or
town? Didn't the towns like Canterbury or Ely have priests to
do cathedral business, or did the monks hold monastic ceremonies on the
great feast days without incorporating the populace?
With regards for your thoughts on this, L
At 08:17 PM 2/4/01 -0600, you wrote:
Actually, monastic chapters often
did attempt to elect their bishop
(as was the accepted custom for both monastic and secular
chapters),
at least in the 14th century, but were often prevented by the king
who usually wanted one of his own men to occupy the office. If such
a
monastic election took place (often selecting the prior of the
chapter, but not always), the king (I'm referring to Edward II
here)
might request that the pope set the election aside and provide
(that
is, appoint) his (the king's) candidate to the see, which the pope
might or might not agree to. both secular and monastic chapters
sought to maintain their right of election but the king insisted on
his right to sanction the episcopal election through the grant of
the
congé d'elire.
The monastic chapters in the Province of Canterbury were
Canterbury,
Ely, Norwich, Rochester, Winchester, and Worcester and in the
Province of York, Durham and Carlisle. I don't believe Gloucester
was
a diocese during this period, although it might have become one
later.
By the way, as a matter of interest, the monastic chapters were all
Benedictine except for Carlisle, which was composed of Augustinian
canons.
Yes, but they are not normally
ordained bishop; although some are
and have their see as the monastery, or a larger see (e.g. Monte
Olivetti, and an Arch Abbey in Canada, I forget the name)
The monastic cathedrals did not elect the bishop as per the rule,
but did the prior ( at least officially, many were imposed, for
election)
-----Original Message-----
From: Marjorie Greene [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 7:22 PM
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Subject: Ben's crozier
Luciana,
Don't abbots have the privilege of mitre and crozier
as well as bishops?
MG
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Department of History
University of Wisconsin-Madison
