Just as a general note about sponge mitochondrial DNAs - my own thesis has been directed pretty exclusively to rates of mtDNA evolution in demosponges and calcisponges, and they're tremendously highly conserved, for sure. Hexactinellids are another story - I never really had enough time to get data I was comfortable with, and they may be quite different. That being said, I think mtDNA sequences may prove to be very valuable tools for exploring the higher-level taxonomy of the Porifera. I've looked at 16S, COII, COIII, and ATP6 pretty extensively, and the former three are so highly conserved as to be pretty much useless even at the inter-order level. That being said, the relative rates of sequence evolution between different genes as found in the bilateral animals hold up in the sponges as well - ATP6 is much more variable than the others (but only in relative terms). I always intended to explore the utility of these genes for high-level phylogenetic work in sponges, but I'm finishing up and I just don't think it's likely to happen. I have neither the time nor a broad enough sample of organisms. That being said, the trees I've made with ATP6 DNA and amino acid sequence data are simply lovely. Nicely resolved, with very high boostrap levels (75-99%) even at the inter-family level, and congruent between all the phylogeny inference algorithms I've used. As well, since they're still very highly conserved it's pretty easy to make universal primers for them. I'll be putting all the sequence data into Genbank as soon as I get the time. Russ Watkins Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry Simon Fraser University Burnaby, BC, Canada [log in to unmask]