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>> Sorry, Candice, but when did I do that? I was talking about certain >> qualities in relation to the +pursuit of writing poetry+, the folly, the >> stupidity of a love for it, but I wasn't making an aesthetic out of it. I'd >> return to the Eliotic reference, the need for poets to be both extremely >> sophisticated and extremely primitive, I translate this as clever and Dave It is necessary to be neat and exact here: stupidity is no synonymous of folly, David. Far from it. It is inapplicable to the intellectual application of men's genius to poetry writing. Leave alone the poor dispossessed sized by stupidity, who roam around in the street, unlooked after by the State. Streets are overwhelmed with "stupid" and stupified people which will not recover from their condition (being stupidity irreversible), who will never be successful in life, let alone have a job and money to survive. Let's not be vague, here. I bet none of you would really wish for oneself the condition of being "stupid". The same I hope you wish for your children. Neither do I think you can ever attribute stupidity to poetry (maybe you mean Carnival-esque folly, in the Bakhtin's sense of " light-heartedness ". I think in the English speaking world, little children in the schools from nursery to secondary are constantly called with the epithet "of Studio (don’t be silly, Joe, don’t' be stupid, Jane) as to root in them the stable belief that, in fact, Ban adult thinks he is stupid it is because they really are stupid…..In my own country, if in a school, a teacher calls a child "stupid", in private or in public, the parents are entitled to take the teacher to court for having intended to fabricate a "psychological damage" into their child’s mind. Erminia One has to research ointo the actual emaning of words before uttering it to define one's and other people's status. I agree with Candice, of course. Erminia