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Erminia: Terms are of limited use, but even within those limitations this is a bit confusing. The term neo-baroque was invented, I think, by the great Cuban poet José Lezama Lima in the late 30s and is very much current in Latin America. So much so that when José Kozer, one of the best-known (in the Spanish-speaking world) of contemporary Cuban poets, identifies himself as neo-baroque he expects folks to have a vague idea where that places him in the spectrum of possible practices. When his name came up in conversation in Tijuana, which is a different planet from Cuba, there was a general murmer of "ah, neobaroco." Your use of the term, and your own poetry, seem not at all related. Is this a new coinage of an old term? Mark At 11:35 AM 9/9/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Douglas, > >neo-baroque is the rediscovery, exaltation and >re-evaluation of the kitsch, it is the attribution to >its codes of a scheme of values and the re-activation >of them in the contemporaneity, it is believing in the >poewer of the false, the artefact as being more >meaningful of the true. This raghly: Helton John >crying at the funeral of Versace is neo-baroque, >(this superficially already gives an example), to have >a museum of the false (as in my town, Salerno) is >baroquesque...Tate Modern in London is neo-baroque in >its delayed effects of the media...German neo-idealism >is a form itself of the neo-baroque...performative >arts when too self-conscious are neo-baroque...what >neo-baroque is not is the strenuous claim for >autenticity, for the self, for psychoanalysis...and so >on...neo-baroque is when in a society poetry, arts, >music become more poweful than the effects produced >by the industry and by the values connected to working >class struggle...the neo-baroque is in itself a parody >of the baroque so it has as well critical potentials >since it reveals its on tools and aims having >antecedents,,, and so on,... but I am making myself >ready to go to a party, and I will have to be there in >half an hour: I would gladly retake the conversation >when I come back home later. Neo-baroque is also >politically incorrect since it stresses contrssts and >exploits them (neo-baroque is when art makes the >world, as it is almost the case now, not viceversa). >The mannerism of our daily communications with their >fake language and false aims is neo-baroque, so we are >on the right path. > >Erminia > >--- Douglas Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Come on ERminia explain neo-baroque! At four this >> morning I >> explained postmodernism to myself and it didnt hurt. >> Although >> cos I didnt sleep last night I dont know if I can >> stay awake >> to have G-d explained on Channel 4 at 8 o'clock. >> >> >> >> Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto: >> [log in to unmask] >> Lynx: Poetry from Bath .......... >> http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html >> >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, erminia wrote: >> >> > Having as an literary and aesthetic aim to be >> > post-modern nowadays is a meaningless effort and >> it >> > would make own work terribly outdated. >> > >> > Postmodernity is no longer on, since it has >> already >> > become an abused and stale subject of studies. >> > It has in fact by now been already replaced by >> > activist neo-baroque poetry. >> > >> > this is the new European trend guys. how to become >> > neo-baroque?: just follow me... >> > >> > Thank you for ignoring systematically my mails: it >> is >> > a sign that my work is authentically a neo-baroque >> > fenomenon to which people do not know how to >> respond >> > (joking!). >> > >> > ermi >> > >> > >> > --- Roger Collett <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> > > What rates can you negotiate for me Joseph? >> > > >> > > Roger >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Joseph Duemer" <[log in to unmask]> >> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> >> > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:05 PM >> > > Subject: Re: Postmodern? >> > > >> > > >> > > > Being post-modern is more of a condition to be >> > > negotiated than a choice to >> > > > be made. >> > > > ====================== >> > > > Joseph Duemer >> > > > School of Liberal Arts, 5750 >> > > > Clarkson University >> > > > Potsdam NY 13699 >> > > > 315.268.3967 >> > > > ====================== >> > > > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant >> messaging with Yahoo! Messenger >> > http://im.yahoo.com >> > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger >http://im.yahoo.com >