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------------------- > yes we can be illogical but that we recognize the fact that we are being > illogical is all that is needed to assure what i have been saying. this > structure must have come before language, for we know that our language can > not change the facts as they are but only conforms to them. > so by "structure" and "logical grammar" you mean the physical universe and its Newtonian laws as a transcendental signified--might I suggest you stop using "grammar" as a metaphor taken from language to denote cap. "R" reality and its presumptive immutabilities--it's confusing. If I were you I'd have recourse to Kant's first critique and mathematics and be done with it. David Latane