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> It would all have to start again from the beginning, since patriarchy > has shaped all our notions of power. Now that Paraguay's out for > ideal societies, I suppose that means another planet. Or another > galaxy? Another dimension? > > Myself, I think the really _radical_ solution would be a society in > which men and women were genuinely equal, and in which notions of > power were evolved from different premises from the ones they are > now. It's actually quite a lateral step from where we are. But not > - in the microcosm - impossible. It does also require re-imagining > from the ground up. > > Al of the Utopias Another dimension is my current suspicion. There was one called 'the imagination' but it looks to me as if the powers that be intend to occupy that as well. It being a commercially valuable property. It's absolutely true about the necessity of rebeginning from the ground up, there's been a few times in my life where I had the chance to create or influence work situations where a beginning of such conditions existed, but as soon as they were noticed they were speedily undermined from above, as it were. One of the things that has been so noticeable in recent weeks is the pervasive influence of the conservative mind, these people want things to stay as they are because I think they love their power, and the inequalities it depends on, so much. It's their raison d'être. Ah well, Ms Utopia, in another life maybe .... Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: from Salon > It would all have to start again from the beginning, since patriachy > has shaped all our notions of power. Now that Paraguay's out for > ideal societies, I suppose that means another planet. Or another > galaxy? Another dimension? > > Myself, I think the really _radical_ solution would be a society in > which men and women were genuinely equal, and in which notions of > power were evolved from different premises from the ones they are > now. It's actually quite a lateral step from where we are. But not > - in the microcosm - impossible. It does also require re-imagining > from the ground up. > > Al of the Utopias > > > >Women should run things - the patriarchy has fucked things up good and proper. > > > >Captain > > > > > >At 10:55 AM +1100 3/12/01, Printmaker wrote: > >>I have a suggestion, just remove the testosterone factor. A > >>_secular_ government of tertiary educated women in each of > >>these problem areas (Afganistan, middle east, bosnia, > >>ireland etc etc) would solve most of the problems. > >> > >>In case you hadn't noticed its a holy war - the 'good' > >>christians are going to wipe out the 'evil' muslims and vice > >>versa. I wish they would, the world would be a better place > >>without both. > >> > >>Or maybe an all female buddhist govt in every country. > >> > >>The commandment is "Thou shalt not kill" (period) > >>I dont think there were any exclusion causes. > >> > >>J > >> > >>"Men do work harder than women, women get it right the > >>_first_ time" > > > >-- > > -- > > > Alison Croggon > > Home page > http://users.bigpond.com/acroggon/ > Masthead > http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/ >