Lots of very interesting things have been said, but the rather alexandrian debate about etymology promoted by Erminia might have been avoided if Candice's point about the original German had been considered from the start, since it is not unrelated to our own beloved English tongue (though it be to some belated denizens of the Roman Empire, to borrow a well-aimed shaft by David, a contemptible Johnny-Come-Lately). The German is "dumm" (I assume, not having read the Heiner Müller interview but encouraged by the title of Musil's _Über die Dummheit_, also referred to by Alison, who has inspired me to reread it) and has the same meanings as the present-day English word "dumb" (being at an earlier stage "tumb"), to wit both incapable of (rational) speech and lacking in understanding. Etymologically, thus not necessarily decisively (point well taken, Robin) but in fact rather intriguingly, this has the same root as "dunkel" = dark, the sense of "impervious to understanding" being a probable determinant ~ we may think of the +darkness+ of some poetry or of the unconscious springs of our feelings. But, as Musil remarks in his mordant and illuminating talk, reason and feeling are so dialectically intermingled that "Dummheit" may be attributed to either strand +and+ on occasion imply the reverse; thus there is a kind of simple Dummheit that "is really often an artist", which is evidenced by responses to a psychological association test like"Winter: Consists of snow" or "Father: He threw me down the stairs once", and in contrast to this "honest dumbness" a pretentious "higher" dumbness which he calls "Bildungskrankheit", not a mental illness yet the most dangerous malady of the spiritual culture ("Geist"), something that David was attacking, I believe, in several recent contributions, a sort of convoluted imperviousness to truthfulness (get thee behind me, Pilate!) Musil of course says much, much more in a far more complex yet lucid manner than I can suggest here; this, and everything he wrote, is worth reading. This may be misplaced romanticism, and therefore +dumb+, but I've sometimes found "poor dispossessed sized by stupidity" (sic: an interesting slip twixt cup and lip)on the streets have a vein of shrewd and humourous wit (in all senses) often lacking in the "successful" reigning in the world Erminia apparently rates so highly. Martin