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I've not had the pleasure of Olson's manifesto, but I am sure that someone will say that it is limiting and that this is a problem, they always do, imagining presumably that there is someway of writing verse that isn't limited, it is words not pure thoughts but it is this very limit that is expressive. How meaningless to complain for example a way of doing art is limited: oil paintings are flat: good,, if they weren't no one would have had to invent perspective... and how much fun was had making them describe the third and fourth dimensions. I like very much the propsition that poetry is only syllabuls how marvelously playful to have to worry about those left out little sylabuls, personally the letter is the thing, take care of them and and the rest takes care of itself. more power to your larynx Ali __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/