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From: "steve duffy" <[log in to unmask]> >> What crap Steve. This kind of sneaky bullshit really gets up my nose. " and this kind of sneaky rhetoric really gets up my nose. i've watched kent being hounded off two lists, and by way of explanation all you can seem to say is that everyone ought to trust you and the other listowners. " -- well, let's just get this a little straight: it was four lists and five occasions. There was Buffalo in 98. Kent the martyr for free speech [reported in various publications by -- who else? Kent Johnson]. Then there was british-poetry, which ended up being "reported" in VeRT (complete --though this was, apparently the responsibility of Kent's collaborator Jacques Debrot -- with doctored posts). Then there was the subsub meltdown, in the course of which Kent made the "whimsical" suggestion that Richard Dillon's posts were actually written by David Hess. This might be accepted as a typical Kent Johnson joke (if, leaving aside the venom with which Richard was being treated on subsub at that point, a singularly tastlesless one) if it didn't happen that not so long later, we have Kent and Hess carrying on a public/private psychodrama on poetryetc. That was resolved with Kent being reinstated as a full member of poetryetc. Now the latest fiasco ... How many bites on the postman's leg does the dog get to inflict? " i'm sorry if having to explain what a person is charged with is boring for you. i can assure you it is exceedingly boring for me to have to attempt to get blood from a stone - i'd much rather be getting on with my work. but if kent can be "written out" and protest landscaped over then who is safe? " Well, given that well +before+ this reached the point it has, Kent was already negotiating publication rights (egoless copyright) for his version of events on poetryetc, he's hardly being "written out". VeRT was asked, not to censor the Johnson/Debrot "Lacan Letters" but to include statements (perfectly fair, as the whole issue of 'censorship' on british-poetry was at issue) from various members of british-poetry. Did they? Did they fuck. So stop prating about censorship. I could go on -- but I'd make the point that the archives of Buffalo, subsub [I think], british-poetry, and poetryetc are open for public inspection. Fewer people will read them than will read The Kent Johnson Version in VeRT, or wherever. Nevertheless, they're there to be consulted. This isn't an issue of censorship, it's an issue of disinformation. Robin Hamilton