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Robin Smiling here as britpo has just collided with poetryetc. Yeah, I know about the precursors you mention, but I was thinking, in terms of the 'West', of the development of the very personally fitting, subjective 'I' as the focus of an extended text, other than short lyrics, which, pre-Reformation, pre-mercantile capitalism, was a rarity restricted to exceptional individuals. Or some such. But my interest is in the background of the haibun, please. regards david bircumshaw ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Hamilton <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Haibun > From: david.bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> > > >Query, Kent, how far before the 17th century, and Mr Banana's work, does > the > >haibun tradition recede? The reason for my question is that I'm wondering > >about a parallel with the rise of autobiographical literature in the West. > > (S)Paul chatted quite a bit about himself in his letters, and thus begat > Augustine. Petrarch climbed his mountain and later chatted to Augustine. > > But don't let's forget that text-in-the-middle (the only one between > Augustine and Francis) which resulted from a schoolteacher interfering with > the morals of a minor [come back Woodenhead, all is forgiven.] > > Calamatous catastrophes in the days before hype -- today, Abelard would sell > his story to the tabloids. > > R.