Yeah, I think I'm with Phil here, on this element of Matthew's fascinating post. I find I have a multiple self-images, all of which are rather blurry, and conveniently out of date, so I guess my imago is about half my age. Where I live we actually have full-lenghth mirrors in the lifts, don't ask me why, and I do meet a rather distinguished looking entity in there, but this is countered by the human wreck I meet in the morning bathroom mirror, and has no relation, eitherly, to the strange object I sometimes glance on the CCTV screens in stores. Wheras my images of others are much more stable, and recognisable. Even of one or two close e-mail friends in distant lands whom I've never physically met. best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Nicholls" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Perloff intro to Luca > Dear Matthew, > > No, I am not sure that we would recognise ourselves in the street. Our > doppelganger's face is likely to be familiar, but not identical to our own > face. This is possibly because we are familiar with our own face by looking > in a mirror, which distorts the image by reflecting the left half of our > face onto the right half of the reflection, and vice versa. As you know, > the two halves of the human face are slightly different, so the image that > we know as our face is the mirror image of the one that everyone else sees. > > This also explains why most people are made uncomfortable by seeing > themselves in a photograph. The photographic image has the two halves of > our face the right way around, that is reversed from our mirror image mental > picture of ourselves. When we look at a photograph we see ourselves as the > world sees us, but we are disturbed that this is not the way that we see > ourselves. > > Indeed, this dual perception may apply to personality too. > > Cheers > > pHIL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Francis" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:58 PM > Subject: Re: Perloff intro to Luca > > One's relationship to one's own face is interesting, don't you think? > Would > > you know yourself if you walked past yourself in the street, or just think > > haven't I seen that person somewhere before? And yet we see ourselves > fairly > > often - more often than most of our friends. It's just that the > > circumstances under which we do are so different: it's never for long, and > > it's never socially, so to speak - we don't interact with ourselves. > There's > > something voyeuristic about it. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Matthew > > Best wishes > > > > Matthew > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> > > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > > Date: 02 June 2001 23:18 > > Subject: Re: Perloff intro to Luca > > > > > > >Yeah, created a big splash a couple of years ago--I also can't remember > the > > >guy's name. He overlaid a Leonardo self-portrait drawing on the lady's > > >face--bone structure appeared vaguely similar. Of course, the > self-portrait > > >was in extreme old age, many years after the Mona Lisa. Art historians > > >didn't take it very seriously. > > > > > >Something like 20 years ago the Journal of Polymorphous Perversity > > >published "The Psychoanalysis of the Dead." A very useful paper. > Apparently > > >the dead are unusually resistant. > > > > > >Mark > > > > > >At 11:02 PM 6/2/2001 +0100, you wrote: > > >>I recall someone, can't remember who, claiming with all seriousness that > > not > > >>only was Lisa Mona a man, but she was a _self-portrait_, to be exact, > > >>Leonardo in drag! > > >> > > >>best > > >> > > >>Dave > > >> > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]> > > >>To: <[log in to unmask]> > > >>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 8:22 PM > > >>Subject: Perloff intro to Luca > > >> > > >> > > >>In furtherance of my shameless pursuit of book sales, the following from > > >>Marjorie Perloff: > > >> > > >>INTRODUCTION to Rochelle Owens' _Luca: Discourse on Life and Death_ > > >> > > >> In 1919 Marcel Duchamp bought on the Rue de Rivoli a cheap > > postcard > > >>reproduction of the Mona Lisa and decided to give Leonardo's famous > > >>enigmatic face a black-penciled mustache, curling up at the corners, and > a > > >>neat small goatee. Underneath the portrait Duchamp inscribed the letters > > >>LHOOQ, a sequence which, read aloud in French, equals elle a chaud au > cul > > >>(she has a hot ass). But his was not just a crude joke; as he explained > it > > >>many years later, "The curious thing about that mustache and goatee is > > that > > >>when you look at the Mona Lisa it becomes a man. It is not a woman > > >>disguised as a man; it is a real man, and that was my discovery, without > > >>realizing it at the time." > > >> Here Duchamp implies playfully what Freud, in his famous study > of > > >>Leonardo > > >>da Vinci, took very seriously-namely the artist's latent homosexuality. > In > > >>both cases the model herself (a local merchant's wife) is seen as mere > > >>object-"the occasion for these ruses," to use Frank O'Hara's phrase in > "In > > >>Memory of My Feelings." And of course art historians have taken this > > object > > >>status as given: Ernst Gombrich, for example, argues that the universal > > >>appeal of the Mona Lisa's enigmatic smile may be attributed to > "Leonardo's > > >>famous invention which the Italians call sfumato-the blurred outline and > > >>mellow colors that allow one form to merge with another and always leave > > >>something to the imagination." > > >> Indeed, the painting's sfumato does leave something to the > > >>imagination, > > >>and in her brilliantly inventive Luca: Discourse on Life and Death > > Rochelle > > >>Owens has imaginatively recreated Mona Lisa from multiple perspectives, > > >>including Mona Lisa's own. > > >> Owens' is a profound meditation on how Leonardo's painting-the > > very > > >>epitome of Renaissance art-was really produced and disseminated, and > what > > >>the process meant to the women (Mona and her friend Flora, who appears > in > > >>so many of Leonardo's works) as well as the children who served as > models > > >>for Jesus and St. John the Baptist in various paintings. Owens' > > >>"narrative"-which is complexly disjunctive, weaving in and out of > > >>Renaissance Florence, our own time, and the more distant past of > > >>pre-Columbian cultures-circles around three characters: "Lenny" > (Leonardo) > > >>the artist/scientist, the artist's model Mona Lisa, referred to here as > > >>Mona or "La Gioconda" ("the smiling woman"), as the painting is also > > >>called, and Siggy or Sigmund Freud, whose rationalist analysis destroys > > the > > >>heart and soul of the culture it "murders to dissect." In the course of > > the > > >>narrative Mona and Flora become part of a larger company of women, > > >>especially poor women from various Indian tribes, who continue to be > > >>oppressed in the Americas of the present: > > >> > > >> Leo na r do had not heard you you answer > > >> correctly you calculate the edge reflect > > >> > > >> Reflect on the sketch > > >> > > >> of Indian women > > >> > > >> The conjunction of time frames and situations makes for a > bravura > > >>performance-that rare long poetic sequence that holds the reader's > > >>attention from beginning to end even though it is by no means a linear > > >>narrative. > > >> Just as Marx will never seem the same after one reads Owens' > Karl > > >>Marx > > >>Play (1973), so "Lenny" emerges as a complex character, obsessed with > > >>anatomy and hence the dissection of cadavers, much taken with young > boys, > > >>alternately giggly and abstracted-and always consumed by his work. > Sigmund > > >>is his alter ego-hard, cold, "triumphantly smil[ing] on reading / a > > >>pathological review of a great man." In "The First Person," for example, > > we > > >>read: > > >> > > >> you said > > >> the smile of Gioconda floats upon > > >> > > >> her features you hook your neck > > >> pursing your lips saturate your dry > > >> eyelids with oil and very lightly > > >> > > >> brush in this preherstory widening > > >> your fibrous memory > > >> > > >> This passage gives us a good idea of the diction and tone that > > >>distinguish > > >>Luca from most poetry written today. Owens' theme, here as in The Joe > > Poems > > >>or Futz, is that of violation-the violation of one person's space by > those > > >>who want to control or absorb it, who will not let it be. Freud's > "fibrous > > >>memory" won't let the Leonardo story be; he has to explain childhood > > >>memories as homosexual fantasies and find explanatory mechanisms for the > > >>artist's sublimation. But Owens doesn't relate these things > > >>dispassionately: in her macabre vision Freud is seen "hook[ing] [his] > > neck" > > >>and, in a horrific image, "saturating [his] dry/ eyelids with oil." > > >> Owens does not shrink from the violence and horror she finds > > >>everywhere > > >>around her and which she projects back, most convincingly, into what was > > >>supposed to be, according to Burckhardt and Berenson, the ordered and > > >>measured world of Renaissance Florence. This poet enters her narrative > and > > >>calls the shots as she sees them: > > >> > > >> At times it seemed > > >> to her she looked like other women > > >> wearing a baffled look her brain > > >> retained an image the very long > > >> teeth due to gum deterioration her > > >> > > >> exhaling suddenly looking in the > > >> middle instead holding her head to the > > >> side. > > >> > > >> The sardonic suggestion that Mona Lisa's fabled smile is the > > result > > >>of gum > > >>deterioration is characteristic of Owens' x-ray vision. Her packed, > > heavily > > >>accented free verse erupts like a volcano, as in this description, early > > in > > >>the poem, of Mona's illness: > > >> > > >> Thin body of fiber > > >> > > >> Desperately sick for want > > >> of a cleaner wound the woman followed > > >> Mona's orders as if there is any > > >> doubt water salt sugar protein > > >> > > >> potassium calcium urinate spon- > > >> > > >> taneously then the exposed & opened > > >> entire lens would rupture the rule > > >> in most cases the patient adjusts > > >> following this three to > > >> > > >> seven fine sutures of silk or dog-gut. > > >> > > >> Notice the strange collision of highly concrete nouns as in > lines > > >>5-6 > > >>above, with the indeterminacy of reference produced by syntactic > ellipsis > > >>and a quirky absence of punctuation. In lines 8-9 one expects a period > > >>after "rupture," and the next phrase should read, "the rule / in most > > cases > > >>[is that] the patient adjusts, / following this three to seven fine > > sutures > > >>of silk or dog-gut." And even the adjectival modifier here is > > non-sensical. > > >>A surgeon might say, "Give him three to seven sutures" or "He will need > > >>three to seven sutures," but in what situation would one say, "following > > >>this three to seven fine sutures?" If one knew that Y followed X one > would > > >>not be in the uncertainty about X that is registered here. And > sound > > >>repetition tells the same story. The predominant sound is that of > > >>syllables ending with an emphatic /t/ stop: want, salt, protein, > urinate/ > > >>potassium, rupture, patient, sutures, dog-gut. The poet's voice fairly > > >>chokes as it vividly recounts the many threads of the Mona/Flora > > >>story-threads that come together later in the poem when the Renaissance > > >>motifs are seen through an Aztec prism-words like "Aztec" and "Tlaloc" > > >>reinforcing the sound structure of the earlier passages and ironizing > the > > >>claims of the conquistadores, whose plunder of American soil parallels > > >>Lenny's earlier plunder of the very bodies and souls of his female > models > > >>in the interest of anatomical study as well as the art of painting. > > >> Rochelle Owens' writing, here as elsewhere, is sui generis. She > > is, > > >>in > > >>many ways, a proto-language poet, her marked ellipses, syntactic > oddities, > > >>and dense and clashing verbal surfaces recalling the long poems of Bruce > > >>Andrews and Ron Silliman. But Owens is angrier, more energetic, and more > > >>assertive than most of her Language counterparts, male and female, and > she > > >>presents herself as curiously non-introspective. Hers is a universe of > > >>stark gesture, lightning flash, and uncompromising judgement: it is > > >>imperative, in her poetic world, to face up to the horror, even as the > > >>point of view is flexible enough to avoid all dogmatism. > > >> Immensely learned, sophisticated, and witty in its conceits, > this > > >>Discourse on Life and Death demands two kinds of reading. First, it > should > > >>be read through from beginning to end as if it were a novel; in this > > >>instance, our concern is with character and the interchange between > > people, > > >>and we watch carefully as Mona and Flora and the children evolve before > > our > > >>eyes. > > >> But a second reading is required to note the poem's > > >>microstructure-its > > >>superb modulation of rhythms and internal rhymes, its ironies and > > >>paradoxes. It is the layering of cultures and especially of myths, > > >>including our own contemporary myths of the Great Creative Genius > (always > > >>male), creating beauty out of the detritus around him, that makes Luca > so > > >>distinctive. Watch out, Owens seems to be saying, for those high-minded > > >>claims and take another look at the evidence of actual life-"a stream of > > >>molten lava burning," "doses of nitrogen muscle saliva," or even "the > > >>seams/ of a discarded wallet." > > >> Owens has no easy answers for the pain and sorrow she presents > for > > >>our > > >>contemplation, but her insistent questioning is itself a gift. > > >> Marjorie Perloff > > >> > > > > > >