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I'm still thinking about how the discussion of prose / poetry led to the discussion of this particular form of verse (or its absence), first in the work of a particular Mexican poet & then more broadly. (Mark, thanks for transmitting Kozer's response.) What I took from that discussion was that the difference is contingent on practice, which is to say it is functional, though that contingency operates (I think) with knowledge of previous practice, er, tradition. But I also appreciate the dialectic set in motion by Erminia with her references to etymology & the responses from Alison, Candice & others emphasizing practice (see above). Is tradition, so-called, really just a kind of etymology? jd ________________________ Joseph Duemer School of Liberal Arts-5750 Clarkson University (On leave 2000 - 2001) Doan Thi Hanh Guesthouse 172 Pho Ngoc Ha So cu 4 Ba Dinh - Hanoi, Viet Nam [log in to unmask] ________________________