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Well, I've been underground a while I come up, sniff the airwaves still deadly poison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Pollack" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 30 November 2001 23:24 | The Taliban leadership was given a chance to repudiate their paymaster | bin Laden and to turn him and Al-Qaeda over. They refused. & exactly who the hell are the US govt to issue ultimata to anyone? have any of them ever submitted themselves to the judiciary of the countries they have hurt? if the us wants foreign govts to account for their actions let it subscribe to a court to which it too is answerable It isn't as simple at all as one group being the paymasters of another - but we might follow some of the audit trails of us interventions and motivations over the years A few years ago, in defence of reneging on its dues to UN (this is before it reneged on so many other agreements, including now the Geneva Convention) we heard that the us did not want to be the policeman (sic) of the world well, large parts of the world don't want it either, especially when it's done in the style of dirty harry i was shocked and hurt by what i saw relayed on my tv and what i now know happened on Sep 11 and as i have not been in the situation that so many are now, grieving for murdered dead, i cannot *know of it and so shall be silent of it, as advised nevertheless, aside from real individual grief, there is a lot of sentimentality in these responses and i'll repudiate that more people die on the roads of uk in a year, by a long way, than died on Sep 11; but that's ok because people like driving fast and petrol and cars must be sold i suspect that more people die every day world wide of avoidable disease and hunger and exposure than died in nyc what it all adds up to is an innate belief among some in us that usamerican deaths are more important than other deaths (and british too retrospectively - rather in the way that time off from purgatory used to be purchased, I suppose) well, they aren't they are as important as everyone else's but no more the american dead are no more important than afghan dead and therefore george bush no less a murderer than whoever organised that plane-crashing by all means never forget what was done to USAmericans on Sep 11 2001 and though I wasn't alive then I shall remember what USA did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki you want terrorism, that was terrorism and Korea, and Vietnam, Cambodia etc etc with a really big flashing light over Nicaragua... A few outstanding charges to answer there It's bad enough having people killed and the world made more dangerous as a consequence but spare me the bullshit explanations powerful countries bully and you live in a powerful country