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That's interesting that you miss the voices, Doug. My own take on these matters is complex, I like the voices, as long as they feel like my own, but when they feel 'other' I find it terrifying. I do recall a friend of mine, a young lass called Anise, she's since moved to Coventry, God Bless Her, who used to get them but told me she just responded by telling them to bugger off. I remember once, at nine in the morning, going for a walk and not only hearing but seeing a children's playground that wasn't there. Full of kiddies that is. Another time the sounds of the plumbing in my flat turned into a radio sports commentary, in a Leicester accent. Now that was really perturbing. I'm very mindful on this, in relation to poetry, of Julian Jaynes's great flawed book 'On the Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind'. Methinks it has a certain bearing on Muller's 'Dumm'. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Clark" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Back on Planet Earth > I was a schizophrenic once twenty years ago. It was both marvellous > and horrible. Nowadays I miss the voices. The drugs have taken that > away from me. > > > > Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto: [log in to unmask] > Lynx: Poetry from Bath .......... http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Erminia Passannanti wrote: > > > Schizophrenics are not stupid, Dave, do not delude me: they are mad.(they > > have top-degrees and can be genius!!!)They are not idiotic, nor demented: > > they are "pazzi", "folli": do be diagnosed to be schizophrenic or maniac > > depressive does not mean , my God, to be an idiot or a stupid (which are > > equivalent of some brain lesions or pathology of the intelligence!) > > > > It takes such an effort to make you proceed logically and coherently, guys, > > these days. You seemed to all have gone bonkers (don't know the exact > > spelling, but I think I grasped the meaning from some kind of gestures > > accompanying the term in its local UK usage).... > > What' s wrong with you this period. You all used to be quicker, > > brighter...more engaging, more seductive,....ah, > > > > (Martin/Robin (can't remember who did it), exclamations are made with a > > vowal followed by an "h", not vice versa!) > > I feel you should go and look up exactly in the dictionary what > > really "stupid" is, and means. > > > > But no, you do not need to do that: look the way you all are behaving - in > > relation to this simple elementary issue - and you will see what stupid > > actually mean: slow minded, retarded (not loopy neither schizo) > > > > Erminia > > >