Doug, I am admittedly 'academically-deprived' but I'm always puzzled by the mainstream's seeming ignorance of these issues even though they have been a part of langpo for many years and 'experimental' writing for even longer. tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Barbour" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: Re: biographical poetry > Well, you're right, Tom: > > > >For example, in the examples you furnish, I would suspect that there is a > >shift from the subjective to the objective and perhaps back again and likely > >a shift from individual to group and back again? How did these shifts > >affect the writng and how do they affect the reading? > > & the questions have no easy answers. Ondaatje, eg, goes in & out of his > various characters & is practicing already for the novels to come (I'd say, > see my Michael Ondaatje [Twayne], but...). The others too. In a very > different manner, Hower brings so many discourses into play, including her > own life lived & written that the thickness of the weft & warp of her weave > is almost impossible to unravel. > > And, as readers, we all bring different knowledges to bear upon these texts > & their implications...(especially, perhaps, the historical/contextual > ones...?) > > Doug > > Douglas Barbour > Department of English > University of Alberta > Edmonton Alberta Canada T6G 2E5 > (h) [780] 436 3320 (b) [780] 492 0521 > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/dbhome.htm > > Beauty > is to lay hold of Love > is the leave > to > Charles Olson >