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I certainly wasn't thinking of 'primitive' in any sense of cultural hierarchies, Mark. Perhaps a loose expression on my part, or perhaps not. Anyhow, tis a bit late here now. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: th'power of cheap music > Dave: I'm not sure what a primitive rhythm is. The drumming coming out of > non-literate West Africa that I heard in Cuba at a santeria ceremony--5 > hours of intricate cross-rhythms with scarcely a repeat, banged out on > wooden boxes-- is probably not what you mean. I know that this is a side > issue, but it caught my eye. > > Mark > > At 11:00 PM 10/18/2001 +0100, david.bircumshaw wrote: > >Dom > > > >'s a very pertinent thought, that repetitive broad power - surely there is a > >ghostly element of that in poetry, even the most sophisticated, of the pull > >of primitive rhythms and the natch-all catch-all snatch of nursery rhyme, > >advertising jingle, closed couplets before explosion. > > > >(btw even people +my+ age call university 'uni' y'know!) > > > > > >Best > > > >Dave > > > > > >David Bircumshaw > > > >Leicester, England > > > >Home Page > > > >A Chide's Alphabet > > > >Painting Without Numbers > > > >www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm > > > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "domfox" <[log in to unmask]> > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:30 PM > >Subject: th'power of cheap music > > > > > >> Sometimes you badly need to hear again something you listened to for a > >while > >> a long time ago, and haven't heard for ages since. > >> > >> At uni, as everyone my age who went to university calls it, I listened a > >lot > >> to Come's "Eleven Eleven" album, which I bought on CD. I don't remember > >> buying it, or why I thought I might like it - probably a review in the NME > >> or something - but it was an amazing experience listening to it the first > >> few times, aged eighteen or so, really raw and secretly rather terribly > >> afraid of the world my educational ambitions had pitched me into. Along > >with > >> American Music Club's "Mercury", that album was one of the places I lived > >> when I wasn't at home in my own skin. > >> > >> There was a solo track by Thalia Zedek, Come's singer, on the cover CD for > >> the UK music mag "Uncut" the other month, and when I listened to it I > >> remembered what an amazing thing her voice was. Infinite dyke-sadness is a > >> powerful affect, and it made perfect sense for me to identify totally with > >> it when I was a lot younger and hadn't a clue about anything. > >> > >> Now I have all those songs from that CD in my head every five minutes or > >so, > >> I pick up a guitar and I start trying to figure out one of the guitar > >parts, > >> I try singing like that and of course I can't and it's ridiculous, and I > >> suddenly want to get hold of all the other Come CDs and listen to them > >too, > >> all the time. > >> > >> Gonna scratch you a letter > >> just like you did to me > >> > >> was on one of them I got out of the library once; > >> > >> I don't remember being born - > >> I'm not from where my mother's from > >> > >> is from "Fast Piss Blues" on Eleven Eleven. Or there's > >> > >> It's just a > >> power failure. > >> and it's a matter of time - > >> why don't you hold me > >> and find the switch? Why don't you > >> hold me > >> and feel the switch? > >> > >> from "Power Failure". So the lyrics could be pretty good, too. But you > >have > >> to hear them in the right voice. I couldn't sing that stuff, which really > >> annoys me but there you go. > >> > >> - Dom > >> > > >