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> I know what you mean about weary - well, not of politics, but weary of a lot > of the repetition. I remarked to a friend that the same loops of those > buildings falling etc began to have a Stan Brakhage effect... Yes, exactly. The real becomes yet another media loop, except to those directly affected, of course. President Quixote, I fear, is going to become an increasingly present problem for us all, either directly or through his saddle-polishers, and I guess, qua poets, the issues of public rhetoric will be at the fore again. Everywhere I keep seeing this word 'war'. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England A Chide's Alphabet www.chidesplay.8m.com Painting Without Numbers www.paintstuff.20m.com/default.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/default.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Upton" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: Re: POETRYETC Digest - 14 Sep 2001 to 15 Sep 2001 (#2001-149) > Hi David > > I know what you mean about weary - well, not of politics, but weary of a lot > of the repetition. I remarked to a friend that the same loops of those > buildings falling etc began to have a Stan Brakhage effect... but now - I am > back on radio only - it's more like adverts every few minutes with breaks > for President Quixote to report back on his plan to rid the world of evil > > when I said personal letter, I meant personal level. Guess I am weary. > > L > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 16 September 2001 16:11 > Subject: Re: POETRYETC Digest - 14 Sep 2001 to 15 Sep 2001 (#2001-149) > > > | Lawrence > | > | Tho' I'm really feeling somewhat weary of politics right now: > | > | > I don't think these questions unanswered, except perhaps the last > question > | > when posed at a personal letter. The answers are very clear, but they > are > | > too often rejected > | > | What I really shd have wrote was 'unasked', or rather 'too often unasked', > | instead of 'unanswered' and that in context of much of the public climate > of > | discussion of a few days ago. > | > | > bin Laden himself appears to be a USA creation - financed and trained by > | > CIA. > | > | Yup. > | > | Best > | > | Dave > | > | > | David Bircumshaw > | > | Leicester, England > | > | A Chide's Alphabet > | www.chidesplay.8m.com > | > | Painting Without Numbers > | www.paintstuff.20m.com/default.htm > | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/default.htm > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Lawrence Upton" <[log in to unmask]> > | To: <[log in to unmask]> > | Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:30 PM > | Subject: Re: POETRYETC Digest - 14 Sep 2001 to 15 Sep 2001 (#2001-149) > | > | > | > | Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:03:52 +0100 > | > | From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]> > | > | Subject: Re: WTC > | > | > | > | The unanswered question about this tragedy is why did the terrorists > | > become > | > | terrorists? What does the US do that makes the poor of the Middle East > | > hate > | > | them so much? What makes someone want to become a suicide-bomber? > | > > | > I don't think these questions unanswered, except perhaps the last > question > | > when posed at a personal letter. The answers are very clear, but they > are > | > too often rejected. > | > > | > The rejection, its nature, is also the province of poets, because > usually > | > it involves changing the sentence subject and / or leaping a couple of > | > stages in the argument > | > > | > | I entirely agree with your criticism of the Taliban though. > | > > | > But trying to wipe them out would be no better than trying to eradicate > | > cholera without affecting the water supply. > | > > | > The Taliban must take individual responsibility for their actions, as > must > | > those in USA and UK, and Saudi Arabia and Israel and USSR; but the > | > phenomenon seems to me entirely explicable given the slow burn world war > | > which has been fought over their country. > | > > | > bin Laden himself appears to be a USA creation - financed and trained by > | > CIA. > | > > | > L > | > > | >