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Well, you've preempted me here, Douglas--and I hope you'll feel more inclined to subscribe to LEVIATHAN once it's actually in print! The first issue is due out this month, so I was waiting to announce it myself upon its debut. I don't believe JK has cut his ties with STAND, as Michael has done, and I don't know what you mean by "supporting editors." I'm a contributing editor, so far as I know, and had understood JK to be an associate editor, but I haven't seen the flyer yet myself. (More anon when the first issue appears.) As for what you say in your second paragraph here, Douglas, I'd appreciate it if you and others who have been less than sensitive in your posts over the last 24 hours please stop and think before you send what might be under ordinary circumstances merely aggressive opinionating, but which at the moment are potentially hateful and hurtful pronouncements. Feelings are understandably running hot and high, and we've had a few demands back-channel to gag and/or remove one or another listee whose views have been received as repugnant. I would much prefer to see the list police itself--by which I mean everybody's exercising self-restraint rather than yielding to vigilantism and pressuring Alison, Randolph, and myself to apply list rules arbitrarily. These are the times that test principles such as tolerance of others and their rights, however wrong they may seem, so let's all rise to that challenge as best we can. Okay, off with her soapbox and on with whatever sufficiency of evil the day may hold. Would all listees in the New York and Washington areas post an "I'm okay" message to Poetryetc, please? If you can also brief us on conditions where you are, all the better--but do let us know that you're still with us in any case. Thanks, Candice > I had a flyer for this in this morning from Rod Mengham. > It seems that Michael Hulse has started up his own magazine > to accompany his Leviathan imprint. John Kinsella and > Candice are down as supporting editors (Michael Hukseand John Kinsella > have left Stand and Jon Glover is holding the fort). > I looked at the aims of the first four issues and have > decided that it doesnt really interest me to subscribe > at a time when I am drastically cutting back my magazines. > > And from a report on Sky in the pub just now it appears > that the Pittsburgh plane was the one destined for the > White House so Osman isnt perfect. THe deaths havent > really hit me yet.