do you mean to say, henry --and it appears that way--that there are Language poets whose idea of language is similar to that of some new critics? that would be news to me. wystan -----Original Message----- From: Henry [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 12:14 p.m. To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: JG (my father's initials) Hejinian said Language Poetry is not a style. There are Language Poets, each with their own styles. It's a matter of worldview & commitment, my friends. It's not about to be co-opted. Not by Jorie Graham & Helen Vendler, no way. Actually that would be coming full circle, because there are some similarities between the New Critics & the Language Poets. Helen V. is a New Critic's critic. Jorie G. is her protege. The autonomy of "Language" as opposed to speech meets in Academia-Mandarin Central. The radical Word meets the autonomous Poem somewhere in late-20th Hahvahd Yahd (east of I-o-way). - Henry