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>"there IS another list which Mr. Lind would find more >comfortable, Sam Gwynn as well as..." James and All, I've noted Sam Gwynn's name a few times during the Lind discussion. There was a period of time many years ago when I frequented the CompuServe Poetry Forum and Sam Gwynn was a part of that group if I'm not mistaken. Discussion, sometimes full of passion, about formalism VS free verse did occur but I believe Sam G. was more a gentleman, seeing the value in whatever a person was writing rather than defending a particular camp to the death. That is if memory serves. Which is not to say he and I/others didn't engage our differences. But discussion is different from debate, what emerged was a mutual regard. If I can say anything for that group, those days, it is that a diversity of writers of varies levels and forms came to a place of mutual respect. There were things going on in Sam G.'s writing I admired and, likewise, he saw things to admire in mine. Cheers :fp *************** Frank Parker [log in to unmask] http://now.at/frankshome